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  • #8532
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      Once I started removing "grime" from the subject motor it appears
      that none of the aluminum castings were ever painted.
      At some point someone painted the gas tank "black".

      What was originally painted on this motor?
      Power head?
      Gas tank?
      Anything?

      An about "when" did Johnson start painting their lower units?

      Thanks!


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      #66580
      squierka39
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        I’m working on the big sister to yours, a K-80, as far as I can tell the lower unit is polished, tank polished, flywheel polished. On mine the carb is bare but the rest looks like it was painted silver. Some pieces do look like they are bare but on very close inspection I always seem to find a trace of silver. The fuel line on mine is nickel plated, I think the oil line is too. I hope this is of some help.
        As for the paint on lower unit, I have a KA-37 which is the following year and it’s painted, then I have a KA-38 and it is polished, I’m not sure which on those is right or wrong.

        #66590
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          Thanks for the reply. I have everything below the power head cleaned up
          now, and didn’t find any trace of paint. I’ll be curious to see what I find
          on the power head when I get that 80 year old grime off it!
          I don’t think I’d ever be able to get the dents out of my gas
          tank good enough to polish it 🙁

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          #66596
          squierka39
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            Ok, now I have to take a closer look at my tower, it’s still grimy so it’s hard to tell. But the powerhead does have paint on the cylinders exhaust and spark plug cover door. Now I’ll take a closer look at the block, it’s still about as grimy as yours.
            Hopefully someone else with a ’36 Johnson will chime in.

            #66597
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              Squier, thanks again. Good think about all the grime, I’m guessing
              our Johnson’s were well oiled. My compression seems pretty good
              but I haven’t actually checked it yet.

              It’s nice not to have much "paint" to contend with, but on the other hand,
              I’m not set up for "polishing" aluminum either.
              I have an old kit with one little round buffer wheel that goes in a drill,
              and three bars of compound.
              I’d be interested in hearing what others do with their "bare aluminum"
              projects.

              I’m not looking for something "shinier" than when it left the Johnson
              factory, but given that note, "what did that bare aluminum look like
              on the showroom floor"?

              Thanks!

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              #66598
              squierka39
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                Yes, me too. I like it to either be just cleaned up and old or as close to what it should have been when new. Tanks can be a pain, I leave the dents and just clean it up and polish by hand. Unless it’s really corroded and pitted they look pretty good, anything is better than black paint on a Johnson.

                #66599
                spike
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                  According to the Club Restoration Guide by Al Lebaugh and Eugene Townsend from October 1993, they state the following for the A-50 through to the A-80 series motors.

                  **** Flywheel & Gas Tank: Polished.
                  **** Cylinder Block: Light Machinery Grey Paint.
                  **** Lower Unit: Some were polished, some were Dull Aluminum Lacquer.
                  They also state the same treatment for the AA-37, K-50 through K-80.

                  #66605
                  squierka39
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                    Ok, so I went out and with some mineral spirits started wiping off my grimy motor. Here is what I found:
                    Polished parts, Tank, Lower Unit, Flywheel, Tilt bracket legs, tilt bolt and nut, tiller tube.
                    Bare aluminum, Carb, Transom clamp screws.
                    Painted parts, Block, Cylinder, exhaust, spark plug cover, transom clamp bracket, tower(leg), tiller bracket/handle

                    The painted parts on mine are definatly painted, and happily for me fairly bright under the grime so I might just clean this one up and not paint it. All the paint is the Dull aluminum finish. The block was not a light machinery grey, that’s incorrect for any 30′ vintage K Johnson, it’s the same silvery dull aluminum.

                    Many of the nuts and bolts show no sign of paint but I would bet they had some kind of finish or they would be a rusty mess by now. Maybe they had some kind of galvanizing, I don’t know.

                    The leg even though it’s painted really does look like bare cast aluminum. If yours cleans up nice maybe just leave it that way.

                    I hope this help, it’s helped me.

                    Again, mine is a K-80 but I’ll bet they were finished the same way. They also could have changed the way they finished motors part way thru a run, who knows.

                    #66612
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                      Thank you gentlemen for all your help.
                      It’s the wife’s birthday today, so I haven’t
                      been able to sneak out in the garage 😮 ,
                      but you’ve gave me the urge to start cleaning
                      up the power head to see what Mr. Johnson
                      did to decorate my outboard in 1936.
                      Guess when I strip the black paint off my
                      gas tank I’ll decide what to do with it.
                      I really don’t want to "bondo" it anyway,
                      so maybe polished dents is the way to go!
                      I’ll let you know what’s what for paint on
                      my power head, hopefully tomorrow!

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                      #66658
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                        I put the mid section back together today (transom mount, etc.)
                        and scrubbed off a little grime on the power head.
                        Only thing on the power head that’s not aluminum is
                        the cast iron cylinder.
                        I’m undecided if the cylinder was ever painted or not.
                        First I thought perhaps it was black, but kept scrubbing
                        with a toothbrush and mineral spirits, and that went
                        away showing a "goldish" hue, kept scrubbing and it
                        looks "silverish", but I don’t actually see a paint "flake"
                        anywhere.
                        None of the aluminum on the power head appears painted
                        either.
                        Hopefully someone with an original A-80 lost in a time capsule
                        will provide a photo or two. 🙂

                        Regarding the photo of the mid section. The bottom two bolts
                        of the "six" bolt section is a friction / tension brake.
                        Should this have longer bolts with springs to make the brake
                        adjustable? If I snug up on those two bolts the tube locks
                        tight, but I fear there’s not enough tension on the bolts to keep
                        them from working loose.

                        The ears on the big aluminum wing nut are broke off.
                        Will have to search EBay for one of those.

                        Both transom clamp pads are missing, and the "ball" is
                        broke off the end of one screw. I presume the pads should be
                        like the ones shown on my K-50.
                        It would look problematic to make those type of pads on the lathe.
                        Ideas?

                        Will have to get serious on the power head tomorrow.


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