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    DAN UMBARGER
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      Well Tubs…you did it again, you must have blown some of your magic dust thru the computer…I did what you said and TADA I have spark…even squirted a little oil/gas mix in the carb mounting flange and if FIRED UP!!!!! The original condenser( the guy that said the coil was good also said the condenser was bad) was bad so I replaced it with one from an A-25 parts motor. Now I’ll clean the carb up and put the gear case back on and run it in my test tank at work. BTW…in filling the gear case with corn head grease I took out the top slot head bolt( that holds the prop shaft end cap on)and filled the gear case until the grease came out the hole then took the water pump back out and the grease didn’t completely pack that area with grease so I think that might be the way to fill these motors. Good things are coming my way I believe 🙂

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      #271974
      DAN UMBARGER
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        Well…good things came to a screeching halt! Don’t know how I didn’t notice it before but the port cylinder has a crack in the water jacket. Appears to be above the exhaust ports so I think it’s only in the outer/exterior wall. 20230128_151243
        Found out why it cracked…pulled the water lines and they were full of rust…port cylinder didn’t seem to have the same air flow as the stbd side did so I pulled the cylinder to take it to my shop where I have a compressor that has 150 lbs of air pressure. Pulled the stbd side also because I noticed the top ring is stuck 180* from the ring locating pin, bottom ring is nice and loose. Both pistons are the same so I need to free them up. What are some thoughts on how to fix the crack after I free up the rings? I’ve had good luck repairing cracks in sterndrive blocks and manifolds using JB Weld but then I have also had stuff Brazed. I’m leaning towards JB Weld…thoughts? This is the most extensive mechanical restoration I’ve undergone to date between the mag, water pump, gear case and now this crack! I’m still stoked because It did pop off and run a few seconds. Another question…the cylinders and the driveshaft tube appear to be chrome plated…at least the plating is peeling off both the cyls and the tube. Am I correct in that thinking?

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        #271978
        Tubs
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          That’s a bummer. I’m sorry to hear that. J B
          weld seem plausible to me. Its low pressure
          and not much heat. Brazing is another
          option, however the crack may grow when
          you apply the heat. Best solution is another
          cylinder. May have to buy a power head to
          get one.
          Its actually nickel. The cylinders,
          driveshaft tube, steering bar, fuel line, water
          lines, water pump, all the brass fittings, all
          the brass fasteners, and most everything that
          isn’t aluminum was nickel plated originally.
          Tubs
          .

          A "Boathouse Repair" is one that done without having tools or the skills to do it properly.

          #271980
          DAN UMBARGER
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            Thanks Tubs, I do happen to have an A-25 parts motor, thought I read somewhere they were interchangeable but something was a little different. I’ll have some decisions to make. What do most guys in my position do with the colors…plate them, paint them or polish them or some of everything…plating seems real expensive. Have seen some mighty nice looking motors but some seem to be polished not painted or plated. Depending on how it runs I may just leave au natural!

            #271981
            joecb
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              As Tubs said , no real pressure and minimal heat. JB weld or another possibility is to use one of the wicking grade thread lockers like Locktite #209. anaerobic sealer designed to seep into tight spaces, then set-up hard.

              Joe B

              #271992
              stanley
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                A and A25 cylinders are not interchangeable.A25,A35 and A45 are same but,A model is very different.I have fixed cracks exactly like those using automotive “stop leak”.First I put some carb cleaner/degreaser in the cylinder water jacket then used low air pressure to force cleaner through crack to clean it.Then I used water and finally stop leak using same process.Took two applications of stop leak allowing it to set up each time.Worked great both times I’ve done it.

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                #271999
                Tubs
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                  As far as “what do most guys do” for finishes,
                  I can only answer as to what I have done.
                  The first motor I did for a friend. It was his dads
                  The cylinders and tank were black all of his life.
                  He asked for it to remain that way. The motor
                  spent many years in a dirt floor metal shed at their
                  lake cottage. It needed a parts motor. He’d
                  probably be surprised as to how much of his dads
                  motor has been replaced but it is again in running
                  condition.
                  The second came in a group of motors. Wasn’t
                  something I wanted to keep so I got it back in
                  running condition. Then I polished some, and
                  painted some, so I could pass it on.
                  The third was an early 1923 cast tank model A.
                  Except for the gas cap the motor was complete,
                  however the crankshaft was broken. Cleaning
                  reviled that most of the nickel remained on the
                  cylinders. I watch a bunch of you tube videos
                  on nickel plating. I’m able to do it but I don’t
                  have it all figured out yet. If I could figure out
                  where I’m going wrong it would be a pretty
                  simple process as far as doing brass and copper.
                  Tubs
                  .

                  A "Boathouse Repair" is one that done without having tools or the skills to do it properly.

                  #272000
                  PM T2
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                    FWIW – the cylinders are different between the “A” and the “A-25” but they can be interchanged, as demonstrated here.

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REnCyf-_SoA

                    The differences are that the A-25 cylinder has a wider intake runner than the “A”, and also the “A-25” cylinder has a wall extension that protrudes into the crankcase whereas the “A” cylinder wall is flush with the gasket surface.

                    You can use the “A” pistons in an “A-25” cylinder, but not the other way around because the “A-25” piston has a longer skirt and a third ring at the bottom edge.

                    Another FWIW – I’ve repaired far more serious cracks than what you have, I used JB Weld to fill in the voids after I used a hand grinder to vee out ditches around the cracks. See attached images.

                    Hope this helps.
                    Best,
                    PM T2

                    He's livin' in his own private Idaho..... I hope to go out quietly in my sleep, like my grand-dad did..... and not screaming, like the passengers in his car...

                    #272006
                    Bob Wight
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                      Beautiful restorations!

                      Bob

                      1937 Champion D2C Deluxe Lite Twin
                      1954 Johnson CD-11
                      1955 Johnson QD-16
                      1957 Evinrude Fastwin 18
                      1958 Johnson QD-19
                      1958 Johnson FD-12
                      1959 Johnson QD-20

                      “Every 20 minute job is only a broken bolt away from a 3-day project.”
                      "Every time you remove a broken or seized bolt an angel gets his wings."

                      #272013
                      putzer
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                        I have used JB Weld on several Johnson A heads. First is to make sure it is just the water jacket. If that is all, after cleaning well, spread on the JB. Before it hardens, take a damp, terry cloth rag and dimple the material. This allows you to make the JB Weld material look similar to the coarseness of the rest of the head. Just make sure you don’t over do it.

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