Home Forum Ask A Member 1929 Johnson V-45 Head Gasket Torque Recommendations

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  • #6122
    lawnlawn
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      I just received the Cometic copper gaskets for this motor and need to torque down the heads. Everything is cleaned up but I just need the recommended torque. I looked up in two older repair manuals but could not find a torque for that model year and it seems like other models are all different torques, so it it makes sense that it matters. Also any tightening pattern, I assume just cross back and forth and slowly.

      Also, does anyone use any sealers or lubricants on the face of either the head or cylinder prior to assembly?

      Any help would be appreciated before I get this seated down.

      Eric Hansen

      #51144
      garry-in-michigan
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        This is what I found in the Johnson service manual.

        It is very important to tighten slowly and evenly. Start in the middle and go in an increasingly expanding circle.

        Of course none of these take into account the copper gaskets. . . 🙄

        #51147
        lawnlawn
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          I saw that in the newer manual recommendations, but not really addressing the V-45. I think these newer heads have a more standard gasket that is used.

          I know that maybe 15 pounds might do it, but I saw some head outboards would go up to 30 and maybe that is what it is supposed to be for these 1920’s motors.

          ??

          #51152
          PM T2
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            Pay attention to your fastener sizes. There are a pezillion tables available online that can give you required torque values for any given fastener size and type. Also pay attention to the material that the fastener is made out of, it makes a slight difference in how much torque they can handle. Google "torque specifications for small fasteners" and see the tonnage of info that is available. What motor you have doesn’t really matter, its the size and type of fasteners that are important.

            I could tell you what the torque is, but in my tiny little mind, its better to help somebody learn how to do it for themselves eh

            Hope this helps

            best,
            PM T2

            He's livin' in his own private Idaho..... I hope to go out quietly in my sleep, like my grand-dad did..... and not screaming, like the passengers in his car...

            #51205
            lawnlawn
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              I looked up the fastener size fine stud and nut and it looks like 14-16 pounds is recommended. Was still looking for that Johnson V-45 torque chart. The first or second edition workshop manual that covers back to 1922 I believe had the chart. I have the 1929 owners manual, but it is not that detailed and does not have torques. It would be nice to see it in print for this model and year so I can get these copper gaskets to seat right. I know others ordered v-45 gaskets for their projects, what head torque was used?

              Thanks in advance.

              Eric

              #51222
              chris-p
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                I don’t believe there is such a chart. Torque wrenches were really not used back in the 20s, or so Ive been told.

                I have had the pleasure of meeting a couple mechanics/racers from long before my time. WHen I had asked him a torque value once, he said two hits, or three hard hits, depending on the bolt in question 🙂

                #51229
                jerry-ahrens
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                  I’ve just searched through 2 of my old Johnson service manuals, and did not find anything about cylinder head torque. Maybe George E. will come along and answer this question for us..

                  #51234
                  George Emmanuel
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                    Going from a "challenged" memory, I think the recommended torque is 15-18lbs. But, those heads will require continuous torqueing after several runs before you get a really good seating. The test is to look at the spark plugs after a good run and see if there is any water droplets on them. Original head gaskets were all copper with a, for lack of a better word, ring that sealed the edge of the cylinder. The new gaskets Randy had made have a copper ring with the rest of the gasket being paper. They work fine. The PO’s had a similar design in later years. If there is going to be any leakage, you’d want it to go to the outside, not into the clinder bore. If you’ve sanded your heads on a flat block you should get a good fit. So torque, run, torque, run and inspect, then repeat if necessary.

                    #51245
                    garry-in-michigan
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                      14 to 16 foot pounds is given for the newer V-4s and POs also.
                      . . 😎

                      #51247
                      PM T2
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                        George makes a good point about re-torquing. When I was building car engines, the standard practice was to re-torque cylinder heads after the initial run was completed on a fresh engine, and you did it HOT. I was taught to break the bolts loose one at a time, and re-torque to specified value immediately before moving onto the next bolt i the sequence. The end result was that I built many street performance engines and never had a single cylinder head gasket failure in any of them. I’ve never rebuild an antique outboard that had cylinder heads on it (although I’m in the process of working on a Kobunn), but I have done several cwassic OMC’s, and I always retorqued those heads too, I guess it just became habit.

                        Best,
                        PM T2

                        He's livin' in his own private Idaho..... I hope to go out quietly in my sleep, like my grand-dad did..... and not screaming, like the passengers in his car...

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