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January 27, 2026 at 7:14 pm #303958
I have had this motor for quite a while and have finally begun work on it.When this motor was purchased it was complete but lacked it’s coil,only the laminates remained.I have adapted two OMC universal coils and have them and the original laminates mounted.Now the problem;it looks like the spark is produced when the points close rather than when they open like the typical OMC magneto.Do all of the wires coming from the coils connect to the condenser,points and ground the same way they would on a typical OMC mag plate?
January 27, 2026 at 10:51 pm #303970when the two points connect, that should be when you have spark, if I am reading it correctly(I actually just dug into one 2 weeks ago). Draw a diagram of what you are depicting? if I remember right, the two wires from the coil and the condenser all connect on that little metal bit that sticks up from the mag plate, but I could be wrong.
just to reiterate, if the two points are connected and have continuity then that should be when the spark is. try it on the motor and see if the spark happens when the pistons are towards the spark plug side of the cylinder if you are unsure. Otherwise, a diagram of your current wiring might help if that does not work.
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January 28, 2026 at 9:37 am #303979
I used to believe that was the case. Below are comments from a member that has passed. Frank tried to dumb it down for people like me so I could understand it, but I still don’t get it. Maybe you will be able to.

There are a lot of things happening every time it produces a spark, and it is hard to explain it all in terms understandable to a novice. In fact, I get some more grey hairs every time I think about it. And I have a diploma that says I am a TV repairman (Not). But to share a grey hair, when the magneto points open, electrons flow into the capacitor and the voltage across the capacitor increases with time It is mighty fast, but not instant. When the time is up, the electrons flow back out in the opposite direction in series with the coil. It is that reversal in direction that induces a spark voltage in the secondary winding. A way too big (mfd) capacitor will not charge up to as high a voltage in the time available as would a small capacitor. Also, a leaky capacitor loses energy through the leak just as a leaky bucket takes longer to fill with water.
As I tried to say, the capacitor charges up in one direction, then discharges in the opposite direction, in series with the coil. Several factors combine to affect the voltage that it charges up to. A higher charge voltage in series with the coil voltage creates a higher reverse current through the coil, which results in a higher AVAILABLE spark voltage. AVAILABLE emphasized because the actual spark voltage only rises till it jumps the plug gap. Then it’s all over till next time. In other words, the actual spark voltage is rarely the maximum it can produce. BUT if it it cannot produce enough to jump the gap reliably, you get no-start, hard start, missing, etc etc.
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January 28, 2026 at 10:12 am #303980Let’s muddy the water a bit more.
Atwater-Kent timers make spark when the points close….
OMC points from the Universal Magneto make spark when the points open.Gorsh this is fun…lol
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classicomctools@gmail.comJanuary 28, 2026 at 10:42 am #303982
Even though the timer points are normally open, as I read Franks explanation, both would be the same as far as making a spark. Battery charges the condenser when the points close. Energy is released when the points open. Anybody?
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January 28, 2026 at 11:29 am #303985Richard has accurately stated my dilemma.I think it should be possible to use the OMC universal coils,I just haven’t gotten spark yet.Tubs,thanks for posting Franks article maybe using it as a guide I can figure it out.
January 28, 2026 at 11:31 am #303986Snap a pic of what you have so far…
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classicomctools@gmail.comJanuary 28, 2026 at 11:55 am #303988This is not permanent and it is crude but everything checks out with meter and testers.Coil wires are run to condenser,points and ground like you would on a OMC using these coils.The primaries are spliced before going to points.
January 28, 2026 at 12:28 pm #303990reading up m.Mohat articles on the magic of magneto and phase maker ignition may shed some light.
Magazine Articles | Western Reserve Chapter
Phase maker ignition ( like one version of Mercs) fires by “MAKING” the points close so a storage capacitor that was previously charged up is allowed to suddenly dumps into the coil to fire it.
Conventional OMC type ignition allows the primary coil and lamintes to load up like an electromagnet by induce current from the effect of magnetism passing by the laminates (just like a pedal bike magneto)
but when points OPEN…
the coil tries to mainting itself magnetized but can’t because it has lost the ground referrence due to the points gap.
The collapse of the magnetized field induces a reverse voltage (counter EMF) which tends to rejoin ground via the points but ends up in the condenser which is there to protect the points from excess arcs that burn the surfaces.
At the same time, the collapsing primary current using the condensers as a storage bin…. induces a voltage in the secondary winding (with 100-200 times the winding loops ) and it also is looking for a ground and finds one by jumping the sparkplug gap. !
SO.. one system dumps a load of electrons previously created and stored like gunpowder while the OMC method dumps electrons “created” on the spot by magnetism collapsing.
my understanding anyway .. somebody surely has something else in mind 🙂
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January 28, 2026 at 12:52 pm #303991 -
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