Topic: 1932 Elto Super A, setting timing – Antique Outboard Motor Club,Inc

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October 30, 2020 at 4:44 pm #219716
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Where is the timer lever suppose to be for starting this motor?
Is there a specified points gap or procedure?

I hooked up my buzz box and was attempting to have the points
contact (with the pistons at TDC) with the timer at the mid point.
So far with the pistons at TDC I’m not having much luck.
If you go too far to the left the points stay open (as designed)

Any thoughts? Thanks.

Update- I fiddled a little more with the timer after supper.
The most retarded I could get the timing set was with
the pistons at about 3/8″ BTDC…… not sure how many
degrees that is, but seems way too advanced.
I know the rubbing block on the point set is worn
down, but not sure that’s the trouble.

https://youtu.be/mDrl1oUcjVE

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October 31, 2020 at 7:26 am #219731
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There is a procedure for doing this in a photo copy piece of literature that the club used to sell in it’s book store. I don’t have it here at this house and will try to remember to pick it up next time I go to the house. Maybe some one else has it now and can post it. You mentioned buzz coil, was that used just to let you know when points open and close?
October 31, 2020 at 9:05 am #219733
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eltoquad wrote:

There is a procedure for doing this in a photo copy piece of literature that the club used to sell in it’s book store. I don’t have it here at this house and will try to remember to pick it up next time I go to the house. Maybe some one else has it now and can post it. You mentioned buzz coil, was that used just to let you know when points open and close?

Yes, the buzz box, for the lack of a better name coming to me, was
just to let me know when the points make contact. Easier to use
than an ohm meter.
I’d be grateful for the procedure if no one else comes up with it first.
Thanks!

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October 31, 2020 at 2:12 pm #219791
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Amidst a 25 page search result, I found this thread on the subject……..

https://www.aomci.org/forums/topic/elto-super-a-points/

I did not find, or not seeing what’s in front of me, regarding aligning
the timer boss with a mark to set timing.

I did more adjusting on the points, and can now get the points to make
contact with the pistons at TDC, with the timer lever to the left, just
before the “OFF” function on the timer holds the points open.
We’ll see what happens with this!

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October 31, 2020 at 6:37 pm #219807
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I finished the wiring and tested for spark. So far, so good…
nice blue spark.

I’ve read comments in the past about not testing outboard
coils with lead acid batteries for fear of toasting the coil,
and suggestions of using a 9v transistor battery, etc.

Now, I’ll be running said motor on a lead acid battery.
If the motor accidently gets left (not running) with the points contacted,
is it going to toast my coil?

Many a car “back in the day” was left not running with the key on,
and usually only suffered a dead battery the next day and maybe
burnt points, but don’t remember the coils getting ruined…… but
then again, those coils probably had heavier windings?

I guess my concern would mostly be with trying to start the motor,
failing to do so, and having the points make contact while rewinding the rope.

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October 31, 2020 at 9:35 pm #219817
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IIRC, that coil needs an external condenser. It is not a direct replacement for the Ruddertwin / Speedster / Quad coils. The condenser may have been mounted on the outside of the timer case, or directly on the coil. Without a condenser it will likely give a good spark one or two times, but the points will eventually suffer.

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October 31, 2020 at 11:44 pm #219820
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Tom, the timer does indeed have a condenser mounted on it’s side.

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November 1, 2020 at 1:05 pm #219846
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Elto point adjustment on closed circuit ign.
November 1, 2020 at 1:59 pm #219853
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Eltoquad, thanks for the procedure!
As hard of time I had for the points to contact
near TDC, I would not have thought that setting
the points procedure was that easy.
I’ll have to check the gap and see what I ended up with.

I gave it a “test start” today by just filling the carb with
gas instead of putting fuel in the tank.
The longest I got it to run was about three seconds.
It seemed like the compression was low, so I checked it.
55 & 57 psi. When I had it apart, the cylinders didn’t look
too bad, and I only gave it a very light hone.

I suppose I could try new rings in it, or rig the drill up
to try to start it and see if the compression would improve a little.
For a while it’s just going to sit on the stand and get looked
at!

https://youtu.be/bbw_7y6QSeM

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