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  • #63590
    Tubs
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      When Johnson specified SAE#40 for their outboards
      it was all that was available at the time. The development
      of TC-W oil was to have better product designed to be
      mixed with gas for better lubrication and longer life.
      As early as 1971 they were recommending TC-W oil
      at 50 to 1 to be used it the earlier motors and not to
      use crankcase oil except as a last resort. The
      development of TC-W oil has continued so we now
      have TC-W3. How people can sit behind a computer,
      with a smart phone in their pocket in their pocket,
      in their air condition home and then look to a manual
      that is 60, 70, or 80+ years old as the best source for
      the care as far as lubricants is something I cant
      understand. For those of you who rely on that decades
      old data let me try to bring you up to the 70’s anyway.

      A "Boathouse Repair" is one thats done without having tools or the skills to do it properly.

      #63606
      jcrigan
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        US Member

        Back then they specified leaded gas which I don’t think is necessary for running a 2 stroke engine.

        #63615
        hutch1935
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          Tubs, thanks for the updated information yeah I’m as guilty as most of them in the fact that I just go back to what Grandpa used I figured that was fine. But I look forward to updating my oiling and methods thanks again.

          #63627
          westwind
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            Canada Member

            2 strokes don’t need lead in the gas for any reason.

            +1 for the use of TC-W3 oil, it’s also intended to keep the engine cleaner and free of carbon buildup.

            #63634
            kevinrude
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              Tubs/Westwind,

              I hear what you guys are saying, but is it really a good idea to run a 1936/37 Johnson 300 at 50:1, regardless of the oil you are using? I don’t see motors of this vintage listed in the chart above. I’m a little hesitant to try this. Maybe I’m just being paranoid, but just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not really out to get you.

              #63638
              Tubs
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                The oils purpose is to keep the moving parts from touching.
                It doesn’t know what year they were made. That film of oil
                between the rings and the cylinder or the crankshaft and
                bearings cant be increased by adding any more oil.
                Once you have enough there is no benefit to adding more.
                I always want to make sure there is enough so I mix 3 oz.
                per gallon.That’s about 42 to 1. Still your not going enjoy
                running a motor a if you think you could be harming it
                so run enough so you feel comfortable.

                A "Boathouse Repair" is one thats done without having tools or the skills to do it properly.

                #63663
                westwind
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                  Canada Member

                  One argument to use some more oil is that a lot of these old motors don’t have much in the way of crank case seals and often the bushings are a bit worn. Adding a bit more oil will compensate some for the poor sealing, of course tightening up the sloppy bushings would be a better fix….

                  #63678
                  jerry-ahrens
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                    If I remember correctly, the Aero Built 300 is a rotary valve motor of sorts. Running that engine at 50/1 or 40/1 or lean on oil, WILL destroy it. Use 1/2 pint of oil per gallon of gas, or 16/1 ratio. I do agree to use modern TCW3 oil vs. 40 wt.
                    It’s true that outboard oils have come a long way… but, the vintage outboard is still the same, and it needs the right amount of oil to survive. Respectfully, Jerry

                    #63679
                    Mumbles
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                      For the umpteenth time they don’t make parts anymore for these eighty year old motors so why try and save a quarter by seeing how little oil they can survive on? Going lean as possible on the oil is nothing more than playing Russian Roulette with them and sooner or later the motor will lose. The only reason the antique motors are still here with us today to play with is because their previous owners did read and follow the manufacturers recommendations for the fuel/oil mix. As we all know, factory recommended lean mixtures in the mid eighties put OMC on the brink of bankruptcy with warranty repairs. Just because they made the product doesn’t mean their oil ratios are designed for the motors longevity but probably more for it to give a certain number of service hours before being worn out and needing replacement hopefully by another new OMC product. In the sixties, the engineers probably realised the old low horsepower motors from the thirties weren’t wearing out fast enough and by reducing the amount of life giving oil in the fuel mix, they would wear out faster making a replacement necessary. Corporate greed and profit comes into play here. Now that I got that off my chest, I’m off my soap box and it’s someone elses turn.

                      As a reminder, the club’s motto, which is at the top of this page, says ‘Dedicated to the Preservation and Restoration of Antique Outboards’ and the easiest way to help preserve an antique outboard motor is by feeding it the oil it needs for survival.

                      Back to the original question, the Johnson 300 uses 1/2 pint of oil per gallon, or 16:1 fuel/oil mix. Not 24:1, not 50:1 or 100:1, but 16:1.

                      #63682
                      hutch1935
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                        That’s it I’m going back to Grandpa’s formula if it blows it blows but at least it blew under what the manufacturer recommended. Hutch

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