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    Just got this beauty running great BUT the throttle will not stay put – so after I set the throttle at a given speed and let go the boat will slow down. I have to hold the throttle constantly right now if I want to cruise. My guess is it is a fairly simple fix but could not find it in the 2 manuals I own..

    Total Noob from WA!

    #260736
    billw
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      I always tell people to never let go of a boat throttle because you never know when you’re going to have to pull it back in a hurry. That being said, this is what you need:

      https://www.marineengine.com/newparts/part_details.php?pnum=TEL044386

      Long live American manufacturing!

      #260745
      lindy46
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        Coils set too far out and dragging on flywheel?

        #260748
        fleetwin
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          OK, let’s start at the beginning.  I am assuming you are referring to the remote control throttle handle, and that it is creeping back.  Do I have it right?  There is no tiller handle on your engine so there is no friction disk in there.  Your cables must be very friction free indeed.  Unfortunately, there is no friction control on the older control boxes that I am assuming you have in that beautiful rig.  You surely want to make sure the coils are not dragging, like Lindy says.

          Now that I think of it, later models did have a little friction control about the little throttle control knob (where the tiller used to be), but I don’t know if the early ones had it.  I’m sure the later model stuff could be adapted to your engine though.  I don’t know of any way to add a friction knob to your early control box though, and you probably want to keep it because it is period correct.

          #260751

          Thanks for the replies!!  Yes – it is the throttle in the front control box (yes original from 1956.. – also recently refurbished…)  It feels like there should be a tension screw somewhere between the control box and the motor that keeps the throttle where I put it.  If I make the adjustment at the motor the drift does not happen.  Today I will actually disconnect the throttle cable to confirm that.  The doohickey that BILLW mentioned above could possibly serve the purpose I was thinking about.

          I have never opened the control box to see if there is anything in there I can adjust…

          #260753

          Thanks Bill – where does typically get put? Control box end or motor end? And is the idea that you just add tension until the throttle stops drifting?

          #260754
          dave-bernard
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            I think there is a detent on the throttle not sure inside the box.

            #260758
            fleetwin
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              OK, well your latest comment confuses me.  You mention that the throttle drifts back if the throttle cable is connected.  But, if you disconnect the cable and control the throttle at the engine, it doesn’t drift?  Kind of doesn’t make sense, but I’m sure I am confusing what you are saying.    Don’t know how that little accessory works that Bill mentioned, but it seems like a simple solution if it works.

              Keep in mind that there is some “slop” in the engine throttle linkage, which makes some throttle drift unavoidable.  There is natural spring tension in the engine’s throttle linkage as well, that will always favor lower speeds.  The carb throttle shaft is spring loaded, along with the economizer linkage, both these parts will favor lower speeds.  All that being said, it is important to ensure the throttle cam pick up is set properly, along with the economizer linkage (I’m pretty sure this engine has this feature, perhaps not though..  Look for a long thin horizontal rod that runs from the carb butterfly back to the vertical throttle rod on the port/left side of the engine under the flywheel).  The rotational forces on the coils from the flywheel magnets will favor a slower/retarded setting as well.  Again, please be sure the flywheel magnets are not rubbing on the flywheel.  This can usually be determined fairly easily.  Remove the spark plugs, disconnect the battery, disconnect the remote throttle cable.  Now, set the throttle to a mid point setting where it will stay on its own.  Now, rotate the flywheel in a clockwise direction.  Does the mag plate seem to drag on the flywheel magnets and move with it towards idle position?  If so, it is a good idea to pull the flywheel (OMC puller needed), and look at the coil laminations to see if they have been rubbing on the magnets.  Don’t  forget to retorque the flywheel nut properly afterwards.  Improper torque could cause the flywheel key to shear (losss of spark) and damage to the flywheel/crank tapers.  Overtorquing could cause the flywheel tapers to spread so the flywheel will never lock in place and continue to shear keys.

              • This reply was modified 3 years ago by fleetwin. Reason: correction
              • This reply was modified 3 years ago by fleetwin. Reason: correction
              #260765
              lindy46
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                There was no friction control on those old throttle/shift boxes.

                #260773
                fleetwin
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                  There was no friction control on those old throttle/shift boxes.

                  you are correct, that feature was added on the next generation boxes that came out in the early 60s.  I did a little more research, and it looks like that white plastic knob on the newer engines with the little throttle arm (instead of the tiller arm) was an idle speed control, not a friction control like I thought it might have been…

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