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July 10, 2017 at 12:38 am #7597
I have a 1956 Jonson 30HP that came with the wiring harness. I am having issues with the starter not working with the push button. I have followed the attached wiring diagram but some thing is just not right here. The choke solenoid works just fine with it’s push button.
Just to answer the basic first:Yes, the batt. cables are clean (they are new).
Yes, the battery is fully charged.
Yes, the connections are tight.
The start relay is new.
Yes I checked for continuity from all wires and to ground.
Yes the push buttons tested good.
Yes the starter is good. just had it rebuilt.What I don’t get is the starter push button has two terminals. One black wire goes to the mercury switch. the other terminal (white) goes the the small terminal on the start relay. My understanding is that power is supplied to the small terminal on the start relay which then actuates the start relay and power is then sent to the starter. The wiring diagram does NOT show power going to the white terminal wire and there is no ground for the junction box shown on the diagram either. BUT if I take my alligator test leads and ground the start relay to the motor itself and then take my other test lead and clamp it on the pos. batt. and then to the small terminal on the start relay, the starter kicks over just fine.
So, what am I doing wrong here? Do I have the wrong wiring diagram? The harness does match the drawing. Seems to me I am missing a ground on the junction box and power to the start relay ?????
Your advice is appreciated. Thank you
BillJuly 10, 2017 at 1:01 am #61320You have the wrong start relay (for this diagram). The small terminal on the correct relay will be "hot". Grounding that small terminal through the push button and mercury switch activates it and the starter will run.
July 10, 2017 at 1:05 am #61322Bill, is it possible you have the wrong starter relay?
It seems the one in the diagram needs to be "grounded"
via the small terminal, start button, and mercury switch.It sounds like your starter relay needs voltage to the
small post to engage the starter.Prepare to be boarded!
July 10, 2017 at 1:09 am #61323That 6 volt starter Solenoid in the diagram has the small side post internally connected to the positive battery post. When the starter button is pushed, the mercury switch completes the circuit to ground. The two post solenoids mere usually 12 Volt . . 😯
July 10, 2017 at 1:11 am #61324July 10, 2017 at 1:29 am #61329Try switching the big red battery wires at the solenoid. . . 😕
July 10, 2017 at 3:27 am #61336I plan on leaving it the original 6 volt system. When I bought the relay, I was told it was the correct one for this motor. (buyer beware).
Garry. I did switch the Batt. cables on the relay. No difference.Thank you all for clearing that up. Off to find a relay! It’s only money!
July 10, 2017 at 2:39 pm #61355I believe someone sold you a 6 volt Ford starter relay (for 1954 and earlier Ford cars) which looks about the same and would work exactly as you described, requiring the mount to be grounded. Note that grounding of the mount bypasses the safety function of the Mercury switch.
FYI: Sierra/NAPA sells 12 volt replacements but not 6 volt, and these have two small terminals – one goes to the Mercury switch and the other gets its signal from the starter switch. If you decide to go with a 12 volt system, which I highly recommend – you will get much faster starts and you do not have to change the starter, just add a resistor in series with the choke solenoid – use same resistance as the choke solenoid coil and enough wattage rating to handle it. For a resistor in this application, Watts = 36/R. where R is resistance. Go at least a watt or two over the number you calculate.
DaveJuly 10, 2017 at 11:19 pm #61386Is the mercury switch working? If you have no ground through the mercury switch, the starter won’t turn.
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