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    oldmotorman
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      My 1958 35hp Johnson runs great at wide open throttle but as I throttle back below 1/2 throttle it drops one cylinder. It starts and runs nicely on one cylinder. While cruising at slow speed on one cylinder it will on occasion fire on two cylinders for a second and then drop back to one. Opening the throttle wide open may have a couple seconds delay before the second cylinder kicks in and then it takes off and will run fine for as long as I want.
      1. I have determined it is the lower cylinder that drops out.
      2. Both cylinders have 120 psi compression.
      3. I put the lower cylinder plug wire on a spare plug and held it against the block while running on one cylinder and the plug had a good spark. I put the spare plug in the motor but the problem is the same.
      4. Believing I have spark I reasoned the the failure is in fuel delivery at low speed but assumed that fuel delivery from the carb will affect both cylinders the same. I thought that the only item not common to both cylinders is the reeds so I removed the reed plate and visually looked at them. They all looked clean and complete and appeared to be the same.
      5. I disconnected the wire at the vacuum cut out switch but the problem remains.
      6. At this point I have not removed the flywheel since it runs fine at wide open throttle.

      I am lost on what to do next (perhaps I have made some bad assumptions), your suggestions would be appreciated.

      #64188
      chris-p
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        The coils new? I would start by taking off the recoil and inspecting the ignition.

        #64189
        chris-p
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          Unfortunately, your spark test does not do anything. When the plug is in the cylinder, it is under compression, and it is MUCH harder to provide a spark under compression. A weak ignition system can make spark jump the plug gap with ease. Doesn’t mean it will do it when installed in cylinder. I would guess you have original coils in there. You will know, they will be cracked. Or, failed condenser.

          #64190
          frankr
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            You have pretty much covered all the bases, so I’m almost out of suggestions. Almost, that is.
            1. Is this the super quiet model (with a fuel pump)? Could be a ruptured fuel pump diaphragm or pulse hose.
            2. Time to pull the flywheel and check the ignition system, especially the coils. If they have not been replaced, they need to be.
            3. Of course, this is assuming no catastrophic engine damage
            4. It ain’t the carburetor.

            #64191
            outbdnut2
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              I’ve had bad spark plugs do this – try swapping them between the cylinders and see if the problem moves to the other cylinder. You have probably eliminated spark plugs as a cause already, but it’s a quick and easy thing to try.

              Take off the inspection cover from the top of the flywheel and check points gaps, and visually look for cracking insulation on the coils. I’ve seen original coils that look pretty bad do intermittent things like this. Like Chris said, when you test for spark as you did, with the spark in free air with no compression, you should get a 1/2 inch spark to insure it runs under all conditions.
              Dave

              #64216
              oldmotorman
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                Coils, condensers and points are only a couple of years old which doesn’t mean they can’t be bad. I did swap plugs but the problem stayed with the bottom cylinder. Point gaps checked .020 and .018. I realize weird things happen but wonder how the ignition system seems to work well at high speed but not low speed. Never the less it seems like it is time to pull the flywheel and look around and maybe swap some components.

                An old mechanic suggested a leaking seal such as the lower crankshaft seal which might lean out the lower cylinder under some running conditions. Any thoughts?

                #64217
                frankr
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                  That is a possibility in theory, but I’ve never seen one result with such severe effects. Usually, you don’t even know it is leaking until enough water passes through it to destroy all the bearings in the crankcase.

                  #67631
                  dobber
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                    my problem is the opposite. it idles great and leaves the marina okay then when at full throttle it goes hay wire

                    #67639
                    jerry-ahrens
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                      Agreed, I think the problem is in the ignition system. Did you replace the spark plug wires back when the coils were replaced? The reason I ask is this, some of the auto parts 7 mm plug wire is poorly made, and will chafe after the motor is used awhile. This is caused by the wire rubbing back and forth with the movement of the mag plate. At certain throttle positions, it can cause a cylinder to arc to ground, where the wire is damaged, then correct it’s self after the throttle is advanced. Problem is, they don’t make most spark plug wire as well as the original 50’s stuff. I would take a look at the wires too see if this could be the problem. In short, time to pull the flywheel and have a look. If you are using Sierra ignition points, they are notorious for these kind of problems. I would also check for a worn mag plate bushing…. this will cause the mag plate to be sloppy and move around at idle speed. Keeping a good point gap will be impossible.

                      #67649
                      outbdnut2
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                        quote dobber:

                        my problem is the opposite. it idles great and leaves the marina okay then when at full throttle it goes hay wire

                        For the "opposite" problem you described, I’d look into the high speed gas passages in the carb. I suggest you start a new message group here with your problem being "opposite" of the problem OldMotorMan has, or this thread can get confusing as to which motor a person is talking about. Mention your motor year and HP or model number.
                        Dave

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