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  • #201570
    Bc1972
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      Was given a 1958 Johnson 10 HP outboard. (Model QD 19)
      Have no idea how long it has set up. Understand that before it was stored in a garage for years, it did run.
      My first step – I sprayed Sea Foam Deep Creep in both cylinders and let sit 24 hours. Turned the prop to work cylinders back and forth up to 180 degrees. Re sprayed the Sea Foam and let sit another 24 hours. No problem turning through the cycle with plugs out.

      The motor is very clean. Either very little use or someone took excellent care of it.

      I rented a compression tester. With pull start, trying to hold stand and yank….both cylinders showed 40 psi.
      I assume this is low, but wonder if it would be so with cold cylinders, or so for older motors???

      So big question is – should I consider trying to give it an overall tuneup and try to use. If so I would try to find an old manual and try to work on myself. I am a retired tinkerer

      #201571
      nabmd
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        check Art Dekalb’s site: precisionservoutboard.com for his ‘5 point plan’; excellent place to start

        #201573
        David Bartlett
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          Bc,

          Welcome and congrats on your new hobby! 40 pounds is low. You really need to have the motor on a solid stand or get some help to check compression. How many pulls did it take to get to 40pounds?

          Anyway, keep asking questions. Lots of great help here, and the 1958 Johnsons are some of the best!

          David Bartlett
          Pine Tree Boating Club Chapter

          "I don't fully understand everything I know!"

          #201580
          Mumbles
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            If you rocked the motor back and forth 180 degrees, you should pull the gearcase and check the water pumps impeller as the vanes may have gotten folded backwards or broken off if the impeller was old and brittle. Replacing the impeller is part of a preventive maintenance program anyway.

            #201581
            fleetwin
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              I’m confused, what type of compression tester are you using? One that threads into the cylinders? Or, is it one that you have to hold the rubber tip against the plug holes? 40PSI seems low, especially if you have squirted oil into the cylinders, which would usually increase compression readings. These engines don’t have high compression, but you should see between 80-90PSI anyway. I would try a different compression gage, and have an assistant hold the engine in place on the stand while you crank it…
              If the compression readings are accurate, they are too low. Does the paint on the engine block appear to be discolored/burnt? If so, perhaps someone overheated the engine and blew the head gasket, which might explain the low but even readings. If the paint looks OK, perhaps someone ran it without any/enough oil mixed with the gas which has scuffed the pistons and scored the cylinders. But, again, I believe this is just a case of inaccurate compression readings or a damaged compression gage…
              Your engine may look real nice cosmetically, but it will require some work on different systems to make it a: “reliable daily runner”.
              Your next step, after figuring out the compression readings, will be to drain/inspect the gear lube. You will see two large fill/drain screws on the gearcase, one low on the skeg, the other is just above the horizontal anti ventilation plate. Please DO NOT remove the little phillips screw at the bottom of the gearcase, this screw secures the shift linkage. If you remove it, the linkage will fall down out of place. Go ahead and remove both large fill/drain screws and watch what drains out. You may see a very dark lubricant drain out, which is old, but OK. Newer lubes are lighter in color and somewhat translucent. Milky colored lubricant means there is water leaking into the gearcases. Raw water draining out of the gearcase means big trouble also. Let us know what you find.
              These are great old engines, and certainly worth renovating if the basic mechanical systems are in good shape. Most likely, the ignition system will need to be overhauled, the carb will need to be cleaned, and a new OEM carb kit installed. The gearcase should be removed, and the water pump impeller replaced. And, like Mumbles said, this is very important if you have been rotating the crankshaft backwards, because this is a good way of breaking the rubber impeller blades off.
              Post some pictures of your great old engine, hopefully we can help guide you…

              #201585
              crosbyman
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                Canada Member

                you need this bible to work your QD19… the Johnson manual contains pretty much all you need to know to progress towards happiness

                overaling ignition means pulling the flywheel and probably replacing coils .. points can be dressed for now condensers may be bad … it is up to you to invest or not but that engine will give your years of service for less than the taxes on a new engine.

                here are a few useful links

                https://bit.ly/2wqMPTb
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga1Cjymj6ms&feature=youtu.be
                http://www.leeroysramblings.com/johnson_QD.htm
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsCxSCiBCgg

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                #201586
                crosbyman
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                  Canada Member

                  I just got POOFED again 🙁 so here goes with my red book back-up option

                  To work on your QD go to the red book in the picture just retype the URL on top to reach it otherwise this web site will poof my reply to oblivion…again

                  see other usefull inks

                  http://www.leeroysramblings.com/johnson_QD.htm
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga1Cjymj6ms&feature=youtu.be
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA0u62hciwY
                  http://www.marineengine.com/parts/johnson-evinrude-parts.php?year=1958&hp=10&model=QD-19

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                  #201641
                  Bubba Trout
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                    an additional thought for compression test is to have the throttle wide open when performing your test

                    #201645
                    Buccaneer
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                      US Member

                      an additional thought for compression test is to have the throttle wide open when performing your test

                      I was under the impression that you don’t need the throttle wide open for a compression
                      test on a two cycle engine. Perhaps because of the porting? I don’t
                      understand the difference, but hopefully someone can explain.

                      Prepare to be boarded!

                      #201649
                      crosbyman
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                        Canada Member

                        You have 2 choices…… worry or don’t worry about compression for now….

                        get her going and run a decarb product like Merc Power tune to clean the innards and hopefully restore some live in your oldy.. your not going racing anyway .

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