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  • #273935
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      The carb rebuild instructions in the manual says –

      “Prior to starting the 7.5 hp motor it is necessary
      to purge or bleed the fuel system of excess air.”

      It goes on to say that there’s an “early” and “later”
      bleed system. The early one has a bleed valve activated
      by holding the choke knob “in” while squeezing the primer
      valve, and the later model activates by twisting the throttle
      control to the “vent” position while squeezing the primer bulb.

      My motor does not seem to have either system, but the fuel inlet
      nipple on the carb has an extra barb for the bleed system, but
      it’s not drilled out.

      When I had the carb apart, I did note one little brass plug between
      the high and low speed needles, that plugs a galley into the
      fuel side of the carb diaphragm. If one removed the plug and
      squeezed the primer bulb, I would think it would purge the air
      out of the fuel pump…… “BUT” it would dump gas into the
      motor housing, and would be a P.I.T.A. to get at the plug,
      and not to drop the little bugger.

      Anyone have any experience with these?
      Hopefully it’s just a “once in a great while necessity” to
      purge out the air.

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      #273943
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        Ah yes, the Tillotson model H diaphragm carburetor designed for chainsaws.  I barely remember the purge valve.  Actually not at all till you mentioned it.  The deal is, the arm that opens the inlet needle valve is held closed by that little spring.  When the engine is running, gas is sucked from the diaphragm chamber, causing a vacuum which moves the diaphragm towards the lever, over-coming the spring, and more gas can enter the diaphragm chamber.  Not much different than a float valve carb, if you think about it.  In chainsaw use, with the gas tank above or at least close, yanking the pull rope a dozen times eventually creates enough suction to open the diaphragm valve and hopefully it starts and continues to run.  Different story when they put the carburetor a foot or more above the gas tank.  Hense the purge valve to get the gas at least close to the carb and maybe start with a dozen pulls.

        As for the details of the purge system, duh, I forget.

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          After writing that, and pondering about it a bit more, isn’t the purge valve at the entry to the carburetor and not part of the carburetor itself?

          #273948
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            Frank, thanks for the reply. The manual didn’t actually show either style
            of purge valve that I could see, but one was operated by the choke being
            pushed in, and the other by the throttle mechanism when the
            twist grip was turned to “vent” position. (past “fast” I think).
            This makes me think the actual bleed valve was behind the front
            face plate. It sounds like the valve was plumbed so when air purging
            was taking place, the air / gas would dump visibly out a hose  some where.

            That barbed fuel inlet nipple at the carb, shown in my photo with all the hoses,
            must have been the supply to the bleed valve. The nipple on mine was
            never drilled though, so perhaps another design change not mentioned
            in the manual, but mine being a 1960 should be on the “early” production
            end of these motors.

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            #273958
            billw
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              I have nothing useful to add, but what is the green knob for? Is that OEM? I’m working on a 9 McCullough which is a similar motor but has a more conventional carb, thank God. I thought MINE was bad.

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              #273961
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                Bill, green knob is the HS needle. I “think” it’s original.
                I’ll have to look at the Hiawatha powerhead with the same
                carb to confirm.

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                #274021
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                  I did find a diagram of the early style carb air bleeder valve that
                  was operated by the choke. I did not find a photo of the later style
                  bleeder operated by the twist grip throttle.
                  Mine has neither style though, so not sure what to make of that.

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