Home Forum Ask A Member 1963 EVINRUDE 40HP RETEST AND EVALUATION (PART 2)

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  • #3171
    retroman
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      THANKS FOR ALL YOU SUGGESTIONS GUYS, I replaced the fuel connectors that were leaking, replaced the primer ball and retested the motor today. I uploaded a video………… if you have time to watch you will see at 44 seconds the engine dies at WOT. If I keep the throttle wide open the engine will stall, but I throttle back to idle and keep it running. I cruise at Idle speed for a minute or so and hit the throttle again, it runs great at WOT for another minute and at 2:44 you’ll see it starts to rev up and down and eventually it dies again. I throttle back to idle speed to keep the motor running. When I leave the throttle wide open the engine stalls but starts right up and idles fine.This pattern repeats it self all day. After testing, the wife and I went to our favorite spot, burned some wood and had lunch. We the did a fast idle, aprrox 2000rpms (estimate, no tach) for about 20 minutes/3miles back to the launch ramp with out incident.

      https://youtu.be/Hmyixmpy32c?list=PL8we … IgnvCrx6vz

      Any suggestions are greatly appreciated, Thanks
      Jim

      #28577
      crosbyman
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        does it or not die out if you keep priming the fuel bulb on the hose while WOT for x minutes ??

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        #28578
        retroman
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          still dies, I cant keep pump it quick enough to keep up with the demand for fuel, or so it seems.

          #28582
          frankr
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            It clearly is consuming fuel faster than it can be supplied. Is it my imagination, or is it running too rich at high speed? Wrong or drilled out high speed jet (orifice plug)? Choke not completely open?

            Fuel pump test gauges don’t cost much. Usually combined with a vacuum gauge. Tee it in between the fuel pump and carburetor to settle the supply question. It should maintain around 2.5 PSI @ 4000 rpm.

            #28584
            retroman
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              FrankR
              I will dissassemble carb again, now that you mention it, I thought it was odd that the high speed jet was huge. I dont have a lot of experience with these motors, but I was expecting a pinhole. I will post some pics.
              thanks for you input.

              #28586
              jerry-ahrens
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                It does sound like it is starving for gas. The sound of the motor on the video sounds like there is a fluttering noise. Maybe it’s just the recording playing tricks. I would check the float drop adjustment to make sure the float will open enough to keep the carb bowl full. Of course check the float level as well.
                Do you have one of those aftermarket fuel line/primer bulb assemblies? I have seen several of the ones from wal mart that have the inside of the fuel line falling apart. The motor will run good till you hit WOT, then starve out. I fought one of those on a V4 this summer, same problem.

                #28588
                fleetwin
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                  Yes, the video quality is deceiving here, makes the engine sound like a gattling gun. Unfortunately, it is kind of hard to tell. You mention that the engine will still die out if you pump the fuel bulb continuously at high speeds, correct? If so, does not seem like a fuel supply problem. I saw the engine die out, but you slowed the throttle at the same time, so I couldn’t tell if it surged then died, or just died right out. I did notice a couple of things though. I saw you holding the key switch in your hand, keep in mind that there are two terminals that are easily shorted out even by just laying in a wet boat, especially in salt water, the "M" terminals. Once these terminals are shorted, the ignition will cut out, which is what happens when you turn the key to "off". I don’t know what is going on with your spark plug wires/boots, but I saw what looked like tape where the spark plug boot/covers should be. You can eliminate boat wiring problems easily by disconnecting the two primary stop leads that come out from under the mag plate. Simply find the two black plastic snap connectors and disconnect them. Please know that you won’t be able to shut the engine off with the key switch when you do this, so you must be very careful while driving/filming, you will have to shut the engine off by choking it out (flooding it). Run the engine at WOT with the primary leads disconnected to see if the problem disappears, boat wiring will have to be examined if this solves the problem.
                  I know the engine sounds kinda rich at high speeds, but I really think this is just an audio problem/deception, you would know best, does the engine really sound like that at high speeds? I think you have eliminated fuel delivery questions by pumping the fuel bulb while the engine is running at WOT. But, that high speed jet may be getting intermittently plugged with debris at WOT, which would cause the engine to surge/stall. The hole in that jet is fairly large, larger than you would expect. Did you actually remove that jet when you cleaned the carb? If so, what tool did you use to remove/install it? Using a regular screwdriver can bung up the threads, jam/damage the jet, and introduce metal debris into the carb. The jet must be completely seated into that bowl also, there will be a fuel restriction if the jet backs out some. I would tilt the engine up slightly, then place a clean container under the bowl drain plug and remove it, might be a good idea to disconnect the battery to avoid sparks also. Next, using the OMC jet screwdriver, I would check the high speed jet to make sure it is seated/snug in the bowl. If it is, I would go ahead and remove the jet, letting residual fuel drain into the clean container you have put under the bowl drain. Once the jet is out, I would go ahead and pump the fuel bulb a few times and watch the fuel as it drains into your container, look for debris. Have a look through the jet to see if debris is caught in it, go ahead and run a soft pipe cleaner through after inspecting for debris. There might be debris in under the inlet needle seat as well cutting off fuel flow intermittently. Again, I will mention that water in the fuel could be a factor as well. Remove the filter bowl and look for water, that mesh filter might be gummed up also.
                  I’m sorry I can’t be more sure of what is going on here, video quality can oftentimes be deceiving, so I can not say for sure whether the problem is ignition or fuel related.

                  #28591
                  reivertom
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                    I have had motors do that and I remember that I didn’t unscrew the gas tank vent on the filler cap, or I didn’t do it enough. They can also get clogged and won’t vent even if you unscrew them sometimes. It causes a vacuum in the tank and starves the motor for fuel…..Just a thought..
                    also, did you check the fuel lines under the cowl cracks, etc.?

                    #28594
                    dan-in-tn
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                      All of the ’63 models show a 67D high speed orifice. If you were to need a new one so you don’t have to question if it has been tampered with I have them. Just let me know.

                      Dan in TN

                      #28681
                      retroman
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                        https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipN … mDGY5TW2WZ

                        Thanks for all your help and suggestions. The fluttering/gattling gun noise is just the video, the motor doesnt sound like that. Im sorry I did not get video of the motor actually dying when I left the throttle at WOT. The motor has done both, surged and died, and just died. I was afraid I would kill the battery if I kept restarting. One thing to torture myself, but I didnt want to torture the wife anymore than nessesary.

                        Im not sure what the difference is between the float drop adjustment and the float level, but when I disassembled the carb I adjusted the float per manual specs. I inverted the carb and adjusted float till it was level with the carb body. I also treated the float with Butyrate dope as it looked tattered. I have also changed the fuel connectors, the primer bulb, and fuel since my 1st test run.

                        I was getting a shock when starting the motor, I quickly insulated all the individual connections on the key switch with electrical tape., I thought I eliminated the ignition aspect when I backed off the throttle and the engine kept running. It will be easy enough to dissconnect the primary stop leads next time I go out. That tape you saw on the was for labeling purposes. I do need the correct wires, those are new 7mm but dont have the 90s on the ends.

                        Above is a link to a pic of the high speed jet/orafice. I did nt remove it when I cleaned the carb. I tried to, but started to mutalate it with a screw driver so I stopped. Same thing with the seat for the needle valve. I didnt know there was a special tool. I may have damaged the way the jet seats in the bowl. The cork gasket you see around the jet is pretty tattered as well . I did what I thought to be a good cleaning with an arisol can of carb cleaner through all orifices I could see in the carb. The choke was completely open when running this motor.

                        The mesh filter in the bowl of the fuel pump is brand new, but I will disassemble the entire fuel pump and check for debris in the check valves as well. The vents in my tanks are unclogged and open when I was testing and I checked for cracks in fuel and vacuum lines under the cowl.

                        I think I have address all the issues brought up in your comments.Thanks for hanging in there with me. I appreciate it. Please check link to the pic above. I kind of hoping this high speed jet/orafice looks suspect to you guys.
                        Thanks Again,
                        Jim

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