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  • #2691
    emartin
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      Johnson 20 hp of my Dad’s had not been run in years (10 plus). Took it out on a boat & starts fairly quick
      but runs terrible at low speed. It stalls out, spits etc. High speed runs ok

      We cleaned out the carb. and & rebuilt with a kit. Now it won’t start and it back fires.
      I figure we did something wrong and need to take the carb. off again.

      One thing we found was the plugs were L77J4 with the long reach. The electrodes
      were smashed flat & you could see the where it was hitting the top of the piston.
      We have No idea how those got in there, I can’t believe it ran. I thought that was the
      problem, but after putting in some J6C’s…it still won’t start

      The plug wires aren’t switched and there is still good blue spark…is there anything else that we might look at before we pull the
      carb. off again?

      Thanks

      #25047
      RICHARD A. WHITE
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        Squirt some pre mixed fuel directly into each cylinder, and rope it over… if it back fires, and you are gonna hate this, switch the plug wires and do it again. If that fixes the backfire then try to run it. I can’t think of any timing problems that might cause this, I can only say the only backfire issues I have ever had were from plugs crossed. Now that being said, what are the carb needle settings? You might be getting a lean sneeze and thinking it is a backfire..

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        #25048
        chris-p
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          If you spray pre mixed fuel direct into carb will it pop and run for a sec?

          #25049
          sydinnj
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            US Member - 2 Years

            Had a motor that backfired then it would not start, turned out that when it backfired it sheared the flywheel key and through the timing off. New key and we were good to go. Maybe also a bad crank seal.

            #25068
            emartin
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              quote Chris_P:

              If you spray pre mixed fuel direct into carb will it pop and run for a sec?

              Yes it will run a second then won’t start. I know its getting fuel inside the carb. because I
              loosened the high speed nut and out came the gas.
              I have the low speed set out at a 1 turn and a 1/4.

              Guess I have take it apart again

              #25084
              fleetwin
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                Did you remove the high speed jet when you cleaned the carb? Fuel might be flowing into the carburetor bowl, but might not be getting through the high speed jet.

                #25090
                Steve A W
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                  Hows the compression?
                  Those plugs didn’t crack the pistons did they?

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                  I live in Northwest Indiana

                  #25252
                  emartin
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                    quote fleetwin:

                    Did you remove the high speed jet when you cleaned the carb? Fuel might be flowing into the carburetor bowl, but might not be getting through the high speed jet.

                    Yes I did. I went thru the carb once again…everything is spotless. I would eat soup out of it.
                    It’s got great compression.

                    But I still don’t get the slightest indication that it’s trying to catch when I crank it with the rope.
                    If I squirt pre-mix directly in the cylinders…varoom!

                    I’m really scratching my head on this one.

                    #25255
                    david-bartlett
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                      When you rebuilt the carb, did you change the float pin/seat? I had a motor act this way and the float pin was stuck shut.

                      #25301
                      fleetwin
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                        OK, you had the carb apart and you removed the high speed jet, all is clean.
                        The motor won’t run unless you prime the cylinders with fuel, then only for a few seconds.
                        Fuel runs from the carb when you remove the bowl drain plug and pump the fuel line, correct?
                        How about the carb throttle linkage, perhaps the butterfly is stuck open somewhat. I’m pretty sure the choke linkage on that engine holds the butterfly open a bit to help start a cold engine. So, if the butterfly is stuck, or the choke linkage is messed up, this might explain the no start. The engine starts when primed, but then cuts out/spits/backfires because the throttle linkage is stuck open somewhat.
                        I’m assuming no major work was done to the engine (other than the carb) since the engine was last run many years ago, no one has messed around with the intake manifold have they?
                        You might try opening up the low speed needle another turn just to help get it started and keep running, then you can dial it in once the engine will keep running for you.

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