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October 12, 2015 at 1:10 am #2746
I took my boat to my mechanic to have a new impeller intalled in the water pump. He told me he could not remove the lower unit on the motor since the driveshaft splines were seized. He tried to pull the lower unit off but could not get it to budge. Is there anyway to unseize the splines?
Thank you.October 12, 2015 at 3:15 am #25429If the driveshaft is stuck in the crankshaft, he’s going to have to use wedges to break the gearcase free of the exhaust housing. This will probably break the impeller housing, the impeller key will get yanked up through the impeller housing.
The gearcase will come off, but then the driveshaft is still stuck on the motor.
With smaller motors, I’ve had about a 50% success rate on removing the driveshafts by hanging motors upside down in a vice by the driveshaft, taking a piece of flat stock iron and placing it across the bottom of the exhausting housing, and using an 8lb sledge to pound on the bottom of the exhaust housing.
Not sure if you can do this on a big motor.
With small motors (<10hp), the exhaust housing can be easily damaged doing this. It requires a full teardown by yanking the powerhead clear of the motor, then trying the same process on the bottom of the powerhead (more forgiving than the exhaust housing, and generally larger surface area to strike and place the flat stock over.
I think you may be looking for a new motor, unless you have a parts motor you can swap crank shafts with, and deep pockets to pay for a lot of labor for a mechanic who’s even willing to take that kind of a job on (winter time might motivate the right mechanic to do that job….if you have the parts to replace!).
October 12, 2015 at 10:58 am #25437Has the mechanic ever worked on this model engine before, they are kinda tricky. You must remove the gearcase extension and gearcase as an assembly on this engine. I’m guessing the mechanic realizes the engine is electric shift and has disconnected the shift leads/harness.
If the splines are truly stuck, you may consider just hacking the extension apart and getting it out of the way to expose the driveshaft so it can either be attacked with an air hammer or cut off. But then you will have to find a new/used extension/driveshaft. This method should only be considered after making every attempt to coerce the gearcase down using Joel’s methods. You must be very careful when prying/wedging though, damaging/distorting the gearcase/extension/exhaust housing mating surfaces might cause the driveshaft/crankshaft splines to get out of alignment which will create premature spline wear.
Is this a salt or fresh water engine? For now, I would make sure your mechanic is familiar with this unique style engine and how to remove the gearcase before getting too involved with removing it "violently".October 15, 2015 at 2:58 pm #25571When you say that you must first remove the gearcase extension and gearcase as an assemby, does this have to be done just to remove the lower unit as a routine procedure? Or must this be done to deal specifically for my issue?
Does the shift leads need to be disconnected to remove the lower unit as a routine procedure?
I am trying to understand if these things must be done every time you remove the lower unit or if you are addressing my situation.Thank you for your help.
October 15, 2015 at 9:08 pm #25590From what I understand the gear case extension and the gear case have to be pulled together no matter what in order to get to the lower unit and or water pump. The shift leads definitely have to be disconnected before trying to take it apart. If you damage the shift leads you will be SOL so take good care of them. I have never done this procedure on mine because I have never had the need to. Mine still is one of the smoothest shifting outboards I have ever been around. Great motor once you get them dialed in.
October 15, 2015 at 10:19 pm #25593quote nm02210:When you say that you must first remove the gearcase extension and gearcase as an assemby, does this have to be done just to remove the lower unit as a routine procedure? Or must this be done to deal specifically for my issue?
Does the shift leads need to be disconnected to remove the lower unit as a routine procedure?
I am trying to understand if these things must be done every time you remove the lower unit or if you are addressing my situation.Thank you for your help.
Well, I’m not sure what you mean by "routine procedure". In any event, the gearcase extension must be removed with the gearcase as an assembly no matter why you are removing the gearcase. And the same thing goes for the shift leads/harness. So, I guess my answer is that these things must be done everytime you remove the lower unit on this series of engines.
Here is the parts breakdown for this gearcase:
http://www.marineengine.com/parts/johns … case+Group
You will see that there are six studs that run through the gearcase extension and gearcase, you will see the locknuts sticking through the bottom of the gearcase. There are also two bolts toward the rear/top of the gearcase extension that must be removed. I should have started this paragraph with removing the shift harness lead connections that come out of the exhaust housing near the top of the motor pan just under the powerhead, these must be disconnected first before attempting to remove the gearcase/extension housing. These shift leads are a little tricky to disconnect because of the Chinese finger rubber boots over the actual knife connectors. Don’t ever cut the leads to avoid messing with the knife connections, these harnesses are expensive/hard to find and install.
Now, back to my question about whether this engine had been used in fresh or salt water. Removing this gearcase could be quite a fight if the engine has been used in salt water, corrosion tends to build up around those studs making it difficult to slide the gearcase and extension down over the studs. Why is it that you are removing the gearcase?
I would politely ask your technician if he has ever worked on an OMC electric shift gearcase, then ask if he has ever tackled one of these 100hp units, this gearcase set up is unique to this model. A young technician is not likely to have ever worked on something like your engine before, and you probably don’t want him experimenting/learning on your engine.October 16, 2015 at 12:58 am #25607Thank you for the attached information. I have only had the boat two summers and am still learning alot about it. The boat has only been used on fresh water lakes. I am the second owner. Based on your feedback, I think I will try and find a mechanic that has worked on this motor. I would still like to have the water pump impeller replaced.
I have one additional question. Last Saturday when I picked up the boat from the mechanic, I launched it at a public launch and it shifted into forward and reverse just fine. I drove it a few miles to my cabin. When I went to dock it, I put it in neutral near my dock and when I went to shift it into forward, it did not go into gear. The engine revved as though the throttle speed was increasing but it did not engage. I shifted it into neutral and then reverse. When I shifted it into forward again it worked. Is there something that may need to be adjusted? Is so, can this be done without getting into the engine housing? This is the first time the engine has done this.Thanks again for your advice.
October 16, 2015 at 1:34 am #25608Nothing to adjust really, just have to make sure all the electrics are working correctly and the alternator is working properly. The engine won’t shift properly if battery voltage is low, and worse yet, it may jump out of gear and be damaged. Your shift switch could be intermittent also, the only way to confirm wiring/switch problems is to check for 12 volts on the forward lead at the knife connection while the engine is misbehaving.
Did the mechanic change the gear lube? If so, he probably used the wrong lube. Only the OMC "premium blend" lube can be used in this gearcase, regular gear lube might cause the engine to not shift or slip out of gear.
The electric shift gearcase is fairly robust, but there are a few NO NOs that can cause problems and damage. I’m thinking you should not use the engine anymore until a more experienced technician can look at it. Where are you located, perhaps a club member in your area could help you out or make a recommendation for a tech who is experienced with the electric shift gearcases.October 16, 2015 at 12:55 pm #25618Thank you. The mechanic did change the gear lube and I don’t think it was OMC premium blend. I will look for another mechanic and have the gear lube changed before I use the boat again.
October 16, 2015 at 1:07 pm #25619Would you have the exact name of the OMC "premium blend" lube? I want to make sure the correct lube is purchased. thanks.
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