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September 26, 2020 at 9:45 pm #217369
After a couple of years of tinkering, I finally got this rig out on the water. ’72 85 hp electric shift; Crestliner Dane boat.
For most of the time it seemed to run perfectly. (Though I have never run one of these before and don’t really have a basis for comparison.). I’m grateful for the advice received in the course of this project, especially from Dan in Tn.
BUT, it overheated on the way in to the ramp. Power declined to a slow idle with a sort of buzzing sound. Overheat warning activated. I don’t think it got super hot as there is no obvious paint discoloration and I had added a telltale. I’d gone through the thermostat box but not changed the ‘stat as it tested out OK in a saucepan. Impeller is almost new. I looked at the intake screens and they seem mostly clear.
I’d taken a trolling motor along on it’s bracket just-in-case. But this was a poor way to end an otherwise very good test run. So can anyone advise me where to start looking? What would cause a cooling failure after an hour or so at varying speeds?
September 27, 2020 at 6:31 am #217380When you say, “power reduced to an idle,” do you mean YOU reduced it to an idle or the engine dropped itself to an idle? There is no “Guardian” or “SLOW” system, so if it dropped ITSELF to an idle, you’ve got problems. Hopefully it wasn’t about to seize. Check the plugs for water, the sign of maybe a blown head gasket. Otherwise, I would pull the lower unit back off and inspect the pump again. Maybe something came loose after an hour’s run. Don’t forget to attach a snake wire or string to the shift wires, before to pull off the lower unit! That will make it easier to put back on.
Long live American manufacturing!
September 27, 2020 at 12:26 pm #217404Report:
Thanks billw!
Plugs similar and normal (I think). L77JC4. (Anybody think fine wire plugs are an improvement for this sort of application?)
Compression (1) 135 psi, (2) 130 psi, (3) 133 psi (4)135 psi. (I think this is what this motor has has shown me before.)
Engine seems to start, and run, and pump, normally on muffs.
So why did it stop pumping/overheat? I’ll drop the lower unit and check the pump but am wondering about something like a plastic bag or some plant life wrapped around the leg.
Are the hot horn sensors generally reliable? In this case I think it did not go off until there was already a power loss. The manual has procedures for testing that I can try.
Puzzled…..
September 27, 2020 at 2:51 pm #217407Well, I think your plastic bag theory is a very good possibility, happens all the time…Once you stop and tilt the engine up, the bag has already dropped away…
And yes, unfortunately, these warning horns usually don’t go off until “it is too late” when running at high speeds. The engines heat up almost instantaneously when something goes wrong. You mention that the powerhead does not show signs of overheat such as burnt paint/melted wiring….I would definitely retorque the heads and exhaust manifold though, especially if you had them off during your repair.
I would pull the gearcase off though, just to make sure nothing has gone wrong. Look for places where the water pump could have sucked air once the boat was up on plane and the water level dropped below the SS impeller plate. You mention replacing the impeller, did you use an OEM piece? Check to make sure the two water pipes are properly aligned and into the grommets properly. Don’t forget those two white plastic tube guides that are usually stuck up on the tubes that will help with realignment.
And, like Bill said, don’t forget to attach a snake to the shift cable before pulling the gearcase down…September 27, 2020 at 4:10 pm #217415Might want to check the thermostats and by pass valves for blockage.
September 28, 2020 at 12:42 pm #217476Thanks.
The first time I did this job I didn’t know what the white plastic sleeves were for, and wasn’t confident the tubes were in place, So I dropped it again to make sure.
Don’t recall if I used an BRP or Sierra impeller. Is that important?
My local waters are “no wake” for a mile or so from the ramp, and the channel in is 2-3 feet depth. So whatever happened didn’t happen at high power. But picking up a bag or similar trash seems really possible.
I’m reluctant to disturb the head bolts. Guess I could see taking out one at a time, cleaning, and retorquing.
On cooling, the manual is interesting. Stat is supposed to open at 145. Block temp measured with thermosticks is supposed to be 100-130. Hot horn sensor is supposed to close at 211 +/- 6. Are all these numbers consistent?
I know some motors can get airlocked which is a good reason for a telltale plumbed to the top of the water jacket. I have one plumbed into an existing 1/8″ tapping that was maybe, at one time, for a water heated choke. It’s maybe 1/3 of the way down from the top.
These motors are complex; obviously I have more to learn. Would like a real temp gauge.
September 28, 2020 at 4:13 pm #217490Amuller,
I had a 1979 85hp Evinrude. Every once in a while it would alarm for no reason. Never ran hot as I would feel the heads & they were not hot. I have no idea why this happened. No overheated paint or wiring too. I always was on the lookout for plastic garbage in the water too, Jerks for trashing our water!!September 28, 2020 at 5:32 pm #217499I’m not saying remove the bolts, just torque them, and snug up the exhaust cover screws, you will have to remove the ignition bracket to get at them though…
I don’t trust the aftermarket impellers, heard too many negative things. Does your engine have its original aluminum impeller housing, or has it been replaced by the plastic one with the SS liner. The plastic one has a spaghetti seal that seals it to the impeller housing, make sure that is in place.
Your temp specs seem correct.
The overhead occured at high speed, correct? Your latest post almost makes it seem like occured at slow speeds.
I have never heard of one of these engines getting “air locked” cooling wise, but I guess anything is possible.
The paint didn’t get burnt/discolored, and no melted wiring, correct?
I wouldn’t waste time and money with a temp gage. The same scenario occurs, the engine starts to bog down, then you look down to see the gage pegged. Plus, you have to add an external wire to the harness for the temp gage sender up to the gage on the dash.September 28, 2020 at 5:35 pm #217500Amuller,
I had a 1979 85hp Evinrude. Every once in a while it would alarm for no reason. Never ran hot as I would feel the heads & they were not hot. I have no idea why this happened. No overheated paint or wiring too. I always was on the lookout for plastic garbage in the water too, Jerks for trashing our water!!Jeff
The cooling system on your 79 V4 had two thermostats and two relief valves. So, it was possible to have one bank heat up while the other did not. The scenario you describe is pretty common for that set up…Don’t know why though…Usually occurs when you first start it after sitting for awhile…Fortunately, just revving up the engine to pop open the relief valves usually solves the problem…Which is a good thing, that system was hard to get at and a pain to work on…September 28, 2020 at 9:37 pm #217514I’m not saying remove the bolts, just torque them, and snug up the exhaust cover screws, you will have to remove the ignition bracket to get at them though…
I will try that.
I don’t trust the aftermarket impellers, heard too many negative things. Does your engine have its original aluminum impeller housing, or has it been replaced by the plastic one with the SS liner. The
Original type metal pump housing.
Your temp specs seem correct.
The overhead occured at high speed, correct? Your latest post almost makes it seem like occured at slow speeds.It did happen at slow speeds.
I have never heard of one of these engines getting “air locked” cooling wise, but I guess anything is possible.
The paint didn’t get burnt/discolored, and no melted wiring, correct?
Yes.
I wouldn’t waste time and money with a temp gage. The same scenario occurs, the engine starts to bog down, then you look down to see the gage pegged. Plus, you have to add an external wire to the harness for the temp gage sender up to the gage on the dash.
Yes, it would be a bit of a pain to wire up, and I do have the telltale. On the other hand it would be nice to have confidence in the motor…..
That thermostat box seems a pain to get open.
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