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    shoestringmariner
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      He everyone, I hope you are all doing well in these crazy times.

      I’ve acquired a 75 hp evinrude and in doing a compression test, we discovered a lot of grey oil inside which messed up the guage. Thinking it was just fogging oil, we thought we’d blow it out while uncapped and then plug it back up, put some fuel to it and burn it off. Then check again.

      No fire, and uncapping again found grey oil again. Muffs were on.

      fearing water mixing with oil, I pulled the head and found grey oil in all three. I havent pulled the exhaust plate yet. because it looks as if I need to pull the pwerhead. (??)

      Question; Should I bother, or is this head doomed due to bearing compromise? I’m, sure this problem happend last year when it was acquired (sat all winter)
      Or would the fuel/oil mix have added some corrosion protection?

      I dont want to waste my time pulling the powerhead to repair this if it will most likely grenade down the road, IF I can even get it running…
      I still dont know what the compression is. We saw 150=180=150 WET.

      Can I bother you for your thoughts?

      #204192
      crosbyman
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        Joining AOMCI has priviledges 🙂

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        #204291
        shoestringmariner
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          Thanks, my apologies, I thought these quesions were allowed by free members.

          #204294
          crosbyman
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            did not mean to stop a question I had just erased a suggestion after I read your note a second time but my bottom signature remained no offense meant

            We all learn from questions and answers that solve problems

            anyhow…. have you pulled the head gasket yet ?? but it is odd that compression #s are still so high if it is a leaky gasket

            Joining AOMCI has priviledges 🙂

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            #204295
            fleetwin
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              Unfortunately, the 75hps are more susceptible to powerhead damage than the regular 70 models, so I’m guessing there is internal bearing/journal damage. For now, I would recommend reinstalled the head/gasket (if it looks OK), then removing the gearcase. Once the gearcase is off, you can start the engine to expel the water and clean off the bearings without worrying about additional water entry or impeller damage. Once the powerhead has been somewhat preserved, you can take your time pulling it apart.
              And yes, it is best to pull the powerhead off when trying to remove that exhaust cover mess, you will probably encounter a few seized bolts.
              Sure hope I am wrong about the bearing/journal damage, but I fear not…

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              #204378
              shoestringmariner
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                did not mean to stop a question I had just erased a suggestion after I read your note a second time but my bottom signature remained no offense meant

                We all learn from questions and answers that solve problems

                anyhow…. have you pulled the head gasket yet ?? but it is odd that compression #s are still so high if it is a leaky gasket

                Thanks, I totally read that wrong! I assumed rules changed. I hope I wasnt taken as rude or anything

                I pulled the head. grey oily residue in all three. Gasket looked ok.

                I got snared trying to take the exhaust manifold plate off. Stopped at the powerhead removal. See my next reply to fleetwin

                #204380
                shoestringmariner
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                  Unfortunately, the 75hps are more susceptible to powerhead damage than the regular 70 models, so I’m guessing there is internal bearing/journal damage. For now, I would recommend reinstalled the head/gasket (if it looks OK), then removing the gearcase. Once the gearcase is off, you can start the engine to expel the water and clean off the bearings without worrying about additional water entry or impeller damage. Once the powerhead has been somewhat preserved, you can take your time pulling it apart.
                  And yes, it is best to pull the powerhead off when trying to remove that exhaust cover mess, you will probably encounter a few seized bolts.
                  Sure hope I am wrong about the bearing/journal damage, but I fear not…

                  I think I’m sunk. I’m sure this motor had this problem when my Brother picked it up on a boat last fall.
                  Now its on a stand without controls to run it on.
                  I stopped at the exhaust manifold plate removal when I realized I have to remove the powerhead…with the above situ, I feel am toast anyway and I wonder if I’m just wasting my time..

                  Can I ask why the 75’s are more susceptible to damage? I have a similar year (70hp) parts motor, if the powerhead is good, is it interchangable?

                  Because good 70’s are getting scarce here, are these motors worth rebuilding? (my 70 or this 75). A full rebuild kit is under $600 US plus my machining costs

                  #204446
                  fleetwin
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                    The 75hp powerhead is ported differently, and may have higher compression, the carbs and WOT timing specs may be different also. These are high performance engines that really don’t do well on conventional non performance hulls…They don’t have a lot of mid range torque, and are meant to be wound up….The engines usually suffer slow detonation damage when bogged down on conventional hulls, often over propped.
                    The exhaust covers on this engine are a complicated arrangement of water passages and exhaust passages meant to help “scavenge” more power out of the engines through “exhaust tuning”…These covers often get loose, allowing the cooling water to mix with the exhaust, usually ending up with water in the powerhead. Sometimes, piston skirts will break and crack/poke a hole in the crankcase into one of the exhaust cover water passages. In any event, seems doubtful you will find too many salvageable parts when you pull the powerhead apart, journals are most likely damaged. But, you never know….Once the powerhead is pulled/stripped, it is certainly worth the hour it will take to pull the powerhead apart and inspect it, you never know….
                    You don’t need any controls to run the engine on your stand, provided your stand is strong enough and won’t tip/break when you start the engine. I would remove the gearcase, and attempt to start it anyway. Simply connect a large battery cable to the engine ground, and a positive cable to the hot side of the solenoid. A little jumper lead from the hot side of the solenoid to the yellow/red lead on the solenoid terminal will engage the starter. Run the engine for a few minutes with no gearcase or water until it heats up enough to expel any left over water inside. Let the engine cool down then run it again….
                    Again, only attempt this if the engine is securely bolted to a sturdy stand that won’t tip over when the engine starts. Make sure there are no fuel leaks that might spark up a fire as well….
                    I guess I really should have started my reply with this question: Are you sure the water isn’t coming from a bad fuel supply that has water in it??

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                    #204448
                    Mumbles
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                      If you decide to start it on a stand, make sure the control box with the key is plugged in or you have a way to shut it off if the harness is unplugged. Contrary to popular belief, it will start with the wiring harness unplugged!

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                      #204452
                      shoestringmariner
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                        Great, thanks guys! I’ll give that a whirl. At least to see what the compression is. Truth is, with the uncertainty of this powerhead, and knowing the 75’s are not really the OMC for me, I’ll probably keep this as a parts motor if the lower unit will swap with the 60/70’s of the era. I have a 1975/76 70hp I’d like to mess with

                        Knowing I can run engines on a stand this way (plus with the means to shut it off) is really, really good to know. You guys have been great as always

                        I just located a late 80’s 60 VRO that I’m going to look at. Hopefully I do better with this one

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