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    John Gragg
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      Have not tried to run this motor yet, this is not a troubleshooting question. Just checking if my parts are viable.

       

      TD20 – Pulled the mag plate to rebuild it. Coils read 3.41k and 3.36k on the secondary’s. Primaries are good to go.  I’m thinking I’m at the lower limit for these readings? I think I remember that they need to read 3k – 8k?  Does the low reading affect performance?

      Also – condensers are .199 and .198. Supposed to be .22, correct?  I’m guessing that I’m in the ballpark with these?

      Thanks!

      John Gragg
      RIverside, CA

      Just starting in the hobby, please be patient.

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      #283371
      frankr
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        Good to go

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        #283374
        crosbyman
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          values are fine  but…. even if the capacitance reads ok on a low voltage capacitance meter  they may fail under load.   just something to keep in mind.

          a dead short capacitor is a dead capacitor

          a  full open capacitor is a dead capacitor

          a good uf capacitor  value is a ” maybe good” capacitor  🙂

          the only good  test is with a high voltage test  apparatus   commercial or home built

          https://wrcoutboards.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Part2_Condenser_Testers_And_Testing_Correctly.pdf

           

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          #283375
          John Gragg
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            values are fine  but…. even if the capacitance reads ok on a low voltage capacitance meter  they may fail under load.   just something to keep in mind.

            a dead short capacitor is a dead capacitor

            a  full open capacitor is a dead capacitor

            a good uf capacitor  value is a ” maybe good” capacitor  🙂

            the only good  test is with a high voltage test  apparatus   commercial or home built

            https://wrcoutboards.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Part2_Condenser_Testers_And_Testing_Correctly.pdf

             

            Thank you. Question, you sent me this person’s information a few months ago. I sent him an email letting him know I was interested in building a tester but never heard back. Is he still around and active?

            John Gragg
            RIverside, CA

            Just starting in the hobby, please be patient.

            48 Sea King 5hp GG9014A. Sold
            49 Sea King 5hp GG9014A
            48 Johnson TD20. Sold
            49 Johnson TD20. Sold
            54 Johnson QD15. Sold
            55 Johnson CD12. Sold
            57 Johnson RJE-19M
            57 Johnson RDE-19

            #283376
            stanley
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              I use an old Graham Lee tester but have noticed this little tester on EBay.The electronics experts here can tell us of it will do the job.

              #283378
              crosbyman
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                check your PM …..in the mean time here is a basic design  which should be much better than just a basic  30$capacitance meter

                I have not built this one but it should be ok.  About as basic as you can get

                The circuit will generate probably  150 volts of DC  from household current .   Dangerous voltages/currents are limited   with  2 x  560 k resistors.   The diode will  rectify and alllow houselod on AC peaks (approx 150v)  to reach your    capacitor under test .

                the parts can be simply  be installed in a small aluminum box for mounting the bulb and  probes . use a 3 wire cord to ground the box.

                Mr  Mohat’s test box #1  basically works the same way  except he used 2  diode to create a voltage doubler to reach about 300v

                voltage doubler designs are everywhere on the Net if you want to go 300 volts

                when connecting a outboard capacitor to it  and  if leakage   turns on the neon bulb …  it is bad ! ”   simple test !

                as always  proceed with caution  if not confident  with  such voltages …  !!! other wise get your brother in law to build it 🙂

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                #283380
                crosbyman
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                  interesting..   thanks for heads up on this one.

                  I looked it up  works with 9v olt battery and hopefully    9 volts   is boosted way up there to test the capacitors .

                  no AC cord ” power” to deal with .. nice and compact

                  probably a must have   for testing outboard  capacitors.  not expensive to !  nice design

                  CLT Model 3G Capacitor Leakage Tester Guitar Amp repair Fender Marshall Vox + | eBay

                   

                   

                   

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                  #283381
                  stanley
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                    interesting..   thanks for heads up on this one.

                    I looked it up  works with 9v olt battery and hopefully    9 volts   is boosted way up there to test the capacitors .

                    no AC cord ” power” to deal with .. nice and compact

                    probably a must have   for testing outboard  capacitors.  not expensive to !  nice design

                    CLT Model 3G Capacitor Leakage Tester Guitar Amp repair Fender Marshall Vox + | eBay

                     

                     

                     

                    I asked the seller if it would work on the capacitors we commonly use and he just got back to me.He said it would on any under .33uf and capacitor needs to have one “end “ disconnected and be discharged just like you’d assume.Seems like a good deal for those without a Merc o tronic,Stevens etc.

                    #283382
                    crosbyman
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                      I wrote to him also

                      I   am  waiting for reply on test voltages on the probes which is critical  to detect leakage but  based on EBAY  comments looks good  🙂

                      to bad he won’t ship canada…that box is cheaper  thant all the parts I purchased to build MR.Mohat’s test box although I am very satisfied  with it .

                      this little test box   should be a must  have in the tool box   along with box wrenches plyers etc…

                       

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                      #283383
                      Buccaneer
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                        check your PM …..in the mean time here is a basic design  which should be much better than just a basic  30$capacitance meter

                        I have not built this one but it should be ok.  About as basic as you can get

                        The circuit will generate probably  150 volts of DC  from household current .   Dangerous voltages/currents are limited   with  2 x  560 k resistors.   The diode will  rectify and alllow houselod on AC peaks (approx 150v)  to reach your    capacitor under test .

                        the parts can be simply  be installed in a small aluminum box for mounting the bulb and  probes . use a 3 wire cord to ground the box.

                        Mr  Mohat’s test box #1  basically works the same way  except he used 2  diode to create a voltage doubler to reach about 300v

                        voltage doubler designs are everywhere on the Net if you want to go 300 volts

                        when connecting a outboard capacitor to it  and  if leakage   turns on the neon bulb …  it is bad ! ”   simple test !

                        as always  proceed with caution  if not confident  with  such voltages …  !!! other wise get your brother in law to build it 🙂

                        Any reason this unit couldn’t be built using a “non conductive” box
                        instead of aluminum? Thanks.

                        Prepare to be boarded!

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