Home Forum Ask A Member 54 Johnson RD15A top seal (still) leaks

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  • #2482
    olcah
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      This is a continuation of an earlier discussion in another thread. I have an RD15A and the top crank seal leaks. Here’s what I have tried but the seal still leaks fuel (lots). New carbon, with new square ring, as it still leaked I replaced new square ring with new o-ring, removed the tube connecting to the intake and put a copper wire completely through it. Put a drill into the upper connection at the bearing, apparently clear, put a #60 drill into the lower connection – rather tight, it did pick up some aluminum chips that I think the drill cut as I put it in. After all this the seal still leaks badly. To top it off, I have a 54 Erude 25 HP that is near identical. I also replaced the carbon seal and put in a new square ring and it leaks the same!

      I could take the intake apart but other wise I am stumped. Looking at the parts list (thank you Frank) I see that there is no o-ring around the top crank bearing on these engines.

      Does anyone have any suggestions about this?

      #23514
      chris-p
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        Can you see where it is leaking from? Rotate the crank with a drill and spray wd4o or something on it to see where it bubbles. Between shaft and seal? Between seal and housing? Between crank halves?

        #23520
        frankr
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          What the–? What’s this tube you are drilling out? Are you saying the copper tube that runs up the side? That tube carries oil from the bottom to the top bearing. Not what you are looking for here. Stand by, I’ve torn down a junk powerhead to take some pictures to show where the oil suction line is. But of course, the camera battery is dead. Charging. Be back later.

          #23524
          frankr
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            Here ya go, this is the oil return path to the intake manifold: EDIT: This is a 1955. I presume the ’54 is the same (??)


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            #23526
            olcah
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              Frank,
              Thank you so much. Yes the line I was messing with is the copper tube oil line. Should I clean out the bearing return shown in your photos?
              Again, Thank you.

              #23528
              fleetwin
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                I like the idea someone mentioned about pressurizing the upper crankcase and looking for bubbles in the seal area to see just where the problem is. I’m wondering if you can see the bleed hole Frank has pointed out by looking into the manifold with the carb off, this would save you the trouble of removing the intake manifold.
                You could spray WD40 down from the upper bearing through that hole if you can see the hole with the carb off.
                Perhaps you are not assembling the upper carbon seal correctly, but I realize there was oil trapped up there before you messed with the seal, correct?
                Post some close up pictures if you can.

                #23533
                frankr
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                  I see there is still some confusion, so I pulled it down some more. fleetwin, pressurizing the crankcase probably would only lead to a false diagnosis because there is no vacuum to the intake manifold if it isn’t running. However, it may be useful to diagnose the carbon seal leaking. Yes, you can see the bleed hole by removing the carburetor. But you can’t see the one in the oil collection groove without splitting the case.

                  OK, again, this is a 1955, with lip seal in bearing, no carbon seal. But I am sure they are interchangeable.

                  Note the oil collection groove that grabs any oil that gets past the bearing shell. That grabbed oil passes through the little hole, back to the intake manifold. Note the vertical slot from the groove. That drains off any oil that gets above the bearing in spite of the return groove.

                  You can also plainly see the oil supply from the lower bearing.

                  (Nice clean motor, huh?)


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                  #23540
                  gjonz
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                    Just curious Frank…

                    Is that oil collection groove where the o ring on later motors is to go as well? I’ve seen some with annoying on that bearing and some without?

                    Or I could be an idiot too!

                    Greg

                    #23541
                    frankr
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                      Just thinking, the carbon seal must remain in contact with the top of the bearing shell in order to maintain a constant seal as it runs. Is there an unusual amount of jumping up and down of the crankshaft as it runs? I know, hard to tell. But something to consider.

                      #23543
                      chris-p
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                        Greg,

                        I believe, it was around 1962 the 28hp and up started using an o ring on the upper bearing.

                        I too have seen some o rings incorrectly installed on earlier Big Twins and the like, I remove them. Defeats the purpose of the oil return system in my opinion.

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