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  • #296625
    crosbyman
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      can you feel good suction on the carb face ?    any chance the reeds are stuck shut  what compression #s do you have ?

      can you see sparks jumping 3/8 inches  to the block using a screw  driver  in the boots.

      what ohms do you read from  boot springs to engine frame ground ?

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      #296628
      BRENT BERGEN
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        Spark, Fuel, Air, Compression. The four basics to check prior to going on a deep dive. Agreed that it’s not the carburetor nor the ignition with your swap testing. You installed a known working carburetor and magplate on the problem motor and it still doesn’t work.

        Have you verified that fuel is actually getting to the carburetor? The sintered tank filters in the OMC classic motors are notorious for getting clogged when they get stored with fuel mix in the tank, then sit for decades. Removing/cleaning the tank filter, fuel lines, and of course the tank, is a necessity on these 3 hp motors.

        Tubs has some good advice regarding the rings possibly being stuck. If you do a compression test and the compression is 70 psi or better in both cylinders then compression is ok. Removing the exhaust cover will likely cost you a gasket, but a new gasket, and resurfaced exhaust cover is a wonderful thing.

         

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        #296630
        dave-bernard
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          Is the fuel fresh?

          #296631
          Dennis Drake
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            seakeye12,

            I looked over the split of the 2 crankcase pieces and there’s no visible opening at the crack between the 2 pieces. But it’s probably not visible. I know it doesn’t take much of an opening to allow a significant leak of air during vacuum or pressure.

            Do you know of a way to test for a possible leak?

            I’m thinking I could fashion a plate that will seal the throat of the carburetor, but has a tire valve in the center that would allow air to be introduced. Then position the pistons so they are both at their half-way position, allowing them to both be blocking their exhaust ports and their ports to the crankcase, but which leaves open their ports to the carburetor. Then pressurize the crankcase through the carburetor, and start spraying soapy water on the outside of the crankcase to look for leaks.

            Do you think this would work? Do you have a different suggestion for detecting a leaking crankcase?

            #296632
            crosbyman
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              what ohms  values  do you see from  individual plug boots to engine frame. ?  no need to  do complex research before you have expired  all the easy stuff….

              does it or not have a good pull on the carb face        have you checked reeds     you should feel no air blast  on the carb face  just suction.

              is fuel filling the carb or not ?    does fuel  freely flow out the carb if you unscrew the lower HS  needle on the carb.?

              happy endings needs  clear answers.    heck the mag plate may even need a ground strap to the engine body !

               

               

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              #296644
              seakaye12
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                seakeye12,

                I looked over the split of the 2 crankcase pieces and there’s no visible opening at the crack between the 2 pieces. But it’s probably not visible. I know it doesn’t take much of an opening to allow a significant leak of air during vacuum or pressure.

                Do you know of a way to test for a possible leak?

                I’m thinking I could fashion a plate that will seal the throat of the carburetor, but has a tire valve in the center that would allow air to be introduced. Then position the pistons so they are both at their half-way position, allowing them to both be blocking their exhaust ports and their ports to the crankcase, but which leaves open their ports to the carburetor. Then pressurize the crankcase through the carburetor, and start spraying soapy water on the outside of the crankcase to look for leaks.

                Do you think this would work? Do you have a different suggestion for detecting a leaking crankcase?

                Well;  the way you describe is the way it’s typically done on chainsaws and the like.  Not sure it would show much on the Lightwin because there are no seals at the top and bottom of the crank.

                Plus;  if the engine has not been split;  I would doubt that there would be enough of a leak anywhere to prevent starting.

                I don’t remember….did you remove the plugs and squirt some fuel in the cylinders and then see if it would fire?  If not….I would try that.

                Then….if it fires I think I would consider Tub’s comments about stuck rings.  Maybe you could try spinning the motor over with a drill……

                #296647
                fleetwin
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                  OK, reread the post.  Good ignition and carb.  Won’t run at all, only popped a few times.  Compression seems good.  Any chance both the reeds are messed up?  Perhaps the gaskets are mixed up?  Possible blocked exhaust?

                  This engine doesn’t have upper and lower seals, so an issue in this area seems very unlikely.   Does it look like the engine has been apart?  Signs of the crankcase being split before?   When was the last time this engine ran?

                  #296686
                  Tubs
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                    Did you check the rings? As you have replaced the magneto and carb  with those from a running motor, and you don’t see a problem with the reeds, I would suspect the rings are stuck. Take off the exhaust cover and move the pistons so you can see the rings. Take something like a small screwdriver and see if you can get some movement, pushing on the rings. I had a motor with 65 lbs compression. Like yours it wouldn’t do anything. The rings were stuck so hard I had to break them to get them out.  

                    A "Boathouse Repair" is one that done without having tools or the skills to do it properly.

                    #296688
                    crosbyman
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                      happy endings needs  clear answers. so far  it seems we are missing some bricks in the yellow brick road to oz.

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                      #296693
                      seakaye12
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                        From the Long Longer and Longest LongShot Department:

                        There’s a flywheel key in place ?  The Point Cam in not installed Upside Down?

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