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    BRENT BERGEN
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      happy endings needs  clear answers. so far  it seems we are missing some bricks in the yellow brick road to oz.

      Lots of folks trying to help here. Running diagnostic tests to eliminate possible problems will narrow things down. Caution against focusing on one problem to the exclusion of others without any evidence.

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      #296712
      crosbyman
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        exactly my point… we still don’t know if fuel is reaching the carb bowl   or if reeds are stuck shut.  these little 3hp are certainly not to complicated. Borrowed electricals and carb seem ok

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        #296719
        Dennis Drake
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          Thanks again to all the suggestions. I had already done most of them before my original post.

          FYI, I purchased both of the engines this year with the plan to restore both of them. Both were reported as non-running. After restoring, the green 1955 Johnson ran perfectly. The red 1956 is the problem engine that won’t fire at all.

          Some of the suggestions I had already completed:
          * the fuel in the tank of both the running (green) and non starting (red) engine is the same and is new fuel (non-ethanol) this spring.
          * The filters in both tanks were removed and cleaned in ultrasonic cleaner.
          * Gas reaches the carburetors and drains out when high speed needle (or drain plug) is removed.
          * Piston rings in both engines are free
          * Reed valves in both engines are not stuck or corroded, and look identical.
          * Compression in both engines is nearly identical: near 60 psi in both cylinders
          * As stated in my original post: I swapped the carburetor and magneto between the two engines. The red engine still would not fire and the green engine still started and ran fine, proving both magnetos and both carbs are good.
          * Tested spark on both magnetos before and after doing the swap, and had a spark jump of over 3/8”.
          * Both engines have new spark plugs. Also swapped the spark plugs and it didn’t affect either engine – green ran fine, red wouldn’t fire.
          * The points were set on both magnetos using a volt-ohm meter and the marks on the flywheel. All four point sets are dead on the marks. Not possible if the cam was upside down.

          In response to the more recent suggestions, I’ve started to focus on whether I’m getting enough vacuum in the crankcase to draw air and fuel from the carburetor. I tried feeling with my finger if I could feel suction in the throat of the carburetor, when spinning the motor with a drill. I couldn’t really feel any suction, but the carb throat has some side channels that make it difficult to seal with your finger.

          So I installed the silencer and then fashioned a small strip of paper next to the opening of the silencer on the red engine. I wasn’t able to attach a video showing the movement of the paper strip from the pulsing of the vacuum in the crankcase when the engine is rotated with a drill. I did the same test on the green engine, and the movement of the paper strip looks to be identical. My conclusion is that amount of vacuum created in the crankcase looks to be the same in both engines.

          Needless to say, I’m stumped! I’ve checked and rechecked and tested just about everything I can think of. I’ve already swapped the magneto and carb and plugs with no success. The only other thing I haven’t swapped are the power heads. Currently contemplating doing that.

          #296720
          Tubs
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            Has to be the color. Paint the red one green.

            A "Boathouse Repair" is one that done without having tools or the skills to do it properly.

            #296727
            crosbyman
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              swapping  PH will only migrate the problem … just keep the  red on for spares !  maybe fuel can’t go in because the exhaust is plugged solid with mice junk ??

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              #296728
              David Bartlett
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                In all the above, I don’t remember if you checked the exhaust pathway on the motor. If it were plugged completely(mouse,etc) it would prevent the motor from drawing fuel in. Just another thought.

                David Bartlett
                Pine Tree Boating Club Chapter

                "I don't fully understand everything I know!"

                #296730
                seakaye12
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                  In all the above, I don’t remember if you checked the exhaust pathway on the motor. If it were plugged completely(mouse,etc) it would prevent the motor from drawing fuel in. Just another thought.

                  At this point I would pull the PH and have a look. 

                  #296740
                  David Bartlett
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                    In all the above, I don’t remember if you checked the exhaust pathway on the motor. If it were plugged completely(mouse,etc) it would prevent the motor from drawing fuel in. Just another thought.

                    At this point I would pull the PH and have a look. 

                    If you’re brave you could try to remove the exhaust cover plate screws and have a look before pulling the powerhead. They often break off when trying to remove them, so use caution.

                    David Bartlett
                    Pine Tree Boating Club Chapter

                    "I don't fully understand everything I know!"

                    #296750
                    fleetwin
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                      In all the above, I don’t remember if you checked the exhaust pathway on the motor. If it were plugged completely(mouse,etc) it would prevent the motor from drawing fuel in. Just another thought.

                      At this point I would pull the PH and have a look. 

                      If you’re brave you could try to remove the exhaust cover plate screws and have a look before pulling the powerhead. They often break off when trying to remove them, so use caution.

                      Good point.  You could always just remove the powerhead to get a closer look as well without risking breaking the little exhaust cover screws.

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