Caille RBM ID needed

[Buccaneer]

I hashed this out two plus years ago
on the old AOMCI forum. My uncle and
I forgot what the conclusion was
regarding what make of RBM he had.
After researching again, and some of
my memory coming back, lol, I’m pretty
sure it’s made by Caille.
Thought I’d run the information by you
all to see if there’s more definite
information, such as…..

Is it a Caille Neptune?
What year was it made?

The tank was re-painted years ago, and
no decals left on it.

The serial number on the transom appears
to be 84165

There’s an "AMB" casting tag on the cylinder.
I find no mention of that foundry on the Internet,
assuming that’s what it’s for.

It has a Lukenheimer mixer on it.

It has the water cooled muffler. I believe I read
the "Hiawatha" versions sold by Monkey Wards, did not.

I’m assuming the flywheel was replaced as the current
one has a rope start pulley, and no sign of a hole for
a hand crank knob.

My uncle purchased this outboard in 1963 in North Central
Minnesota.
Anyone know where the Caille dealers were
located?

BTW, it’s not for sale 🙂

Thanks for your thoughts!

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[49morphew]

If I remember right there’s a guy in Minnesota who’s the Caille expert. His name is Randy Kallevig. I hope I spelled his name right. Nice guy. Met him at Tomahawk many years ago. He may still be in the directory.

[Buccaneer]

Thanks 49, will try to look him up if he doesn’t respond.

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[RICHARD A. WHITE]

Have you been to Jack Craib’s website? Might peruse thru that treasure trove of pictures to help pinpoint the model/brand.

http://www.richardsoutboardtools.com
classicomctools@gmail.com

[Buccaneer]

Richard, been to Jack’s many times, and the closest
I can come to a match is the Caille Neptune.
I see no serial number data base per sey.
Jack warns on his site "not to bug him until
you’ve studies all the information", so I’m
still looking. 😮
So far, I have not spotted another "AMB" casting tag on
the cylinders of other Caille.

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[RICHARD A. WHITE]

There are no serial number records, to my knowledge, that anyone has found. I see chatter among Bill Andrulitis and James From about trying to start collecting serial number and photos of known examples to try to help with this, but it has not started yet.. That tank looks alot like my Caille 5-speed RBM, but my gear case obviously is not the same. And I was not aware of serial number being that high, but I am not that versed in these sweet toys.
Also it look like your might have had a tiller arm at one time, see first photo

http://www.richardsoutboardtools.com
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[PM T2]

the lesson that should be learned here is when you get an answer to a difficult question, record it so that it doesn’t get lost.

Not to be mean-spirited or unkind, but you’re pointing out that you got an answer and didn’t absorb it, which is kind of the whole point of answering questions in the first place, in my tiny little mind anyway.

With that being said – your motor has a two-piece crankcase, which I would have thought pointed it toward being an earlier type Caille, but with the wet exhaust, so not REALLY early. I think that exhaust was standard after 1916. The flywheel, well the Cailles were at times equipped with the same magneto as the Evinrude rowboat motors, so that could ‘splain the rope sheave on the flywheel, but your motor has what is clearly a timer lever on it, which is for battery ignition only……

Your serial number on the transom bracket is the main piece that matters, looks like yours is in the 34000 range if I read it correctly. Ther are plenty of Cailles with higher s/n’s than that, its in the middle somewhere, and I’d bet likely in the 1917-18 range. Hint – according to my books, it seems that Caille Neptunes were only sold with fixed propellers (like yours); but if it had a variable-pitch prop, it was sold as a "Caille 5-Speed".

Here’s some shit I dug up, you can use it, or not, up to you.

Hope it helps.

Best,
PM T2

He's livin' in his own private Idaho..... I hope to go out quietly in my sleep, like my grand-dad did..... and not screaming, like the passengers in his car...

[Buccaneer]

Thanks for the replies and information.
I would have liked to been along on that
60 mile trip down the Kankakee River
operating that Callie in the ad.

Point well taken on "recording data"
learned previously. I’ve already put a tag on it for my uncle
saying "Early 20’s Caille Neptune". If not entirely accurate,
it will give someone a starting point some day.
Had it been my outboard I most likely would have recorded
the information, and had not the old AOMCI web site crashed
and burned……… 🙁

I seen the tiller hole, that looks like a 3/8" pipe would thread in.
Regarding the serial number, it’s possible the "8" is a "3".
Will recheck in the future.

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[PM T2]

yep the old bwoo buwuhds fell off the earth, which should serve as a reminder to all that while these discussion forums are handy places to answer questions, you shouldn’t ever trust them to remain alive long enough for you to use them as a permanent reference source.

For instance – the images that I posted – the smart guys will download & save them on their own hard drive. They ought to know a good freebie when its under their nose….

If you can post some images of your flywheel, that might help out too. it seems to have counterweights on the underside, they’re not by chance magnetic, are they? Just curious.

Best,
PM T2

He's livin' in his own private Idaho..... I hope to go out quietly in my sleep, like my grand-dad did..... and not screaming, like the passengers in his car...

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