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  • #38271
    shoestringmariner
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      Thanks everyone!
      I got a PM but I can’t find a reply button….but thank you for your input!

      #38272
      Steve A W
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        I thought being a member of this club was about preserving old motors.

        I use full synthetic Penzoil at factory specs. My middle daughter is a bit of a
        treehugger [we call her this with love]. She saw the oil slick one time and asked
        if that was bad for the water or not. So we switched to full synthetic.

        I bought Penzoil synthetic blend once and found it to be the foulest smelling
        oil I’ve ever used!

        So I keep em slick and smokey like a 2 stroke was designed to be!

        Steve A W

        Member of the MOB chapter.
        I live in Northwest Indiana

        #38276
        outbdnut2
        Participant

          US Member

          Why do you want to lean out the gas/oil mix? If you have spark plugs fouling too often, I’d use a heat range hotter plug and it will stay cleaner. If it’s for smoke, most motors only smoke much when they are first started anyway. Even my 16 HP Johnson that runs at 8 to 1 does not smoke hardly at all once it’s once it’s warmed up and haulin’. Note I only use the generic brands of TCW3 rated oil – like Walmart’s house brand and have no problems. Years ago Dad and I ran straight 30 non-detergent at 20 to 1 in a 1960 40 Johnson and 40 to 1 in a 1965 60 Johnson – running well over 200 gallons of gas a summer in each motor with no oil-related problems. That 60, we ran that way for 10 years (hmmm – that’s over 2000 gallons of gas) and it was runnin’ great when he traded it. My advice – run rated ratio or a bit more oil. Note the 20 to 1 and 40 to 1 were convenience things – a quart or a pint into a 5 gallon can of gas – then dumping that into the 6 gallon motor tank as needed. Note less oil will not give you more speed. Also interesting that the 16 HP that Champion outboard (called a Hot Rod) sold as a class B hydroplane racing motor in the 1950s was rated to use a 4 to 1 mix!
          Dave

          #38302
          shoestringmariner
          Participant

            Guys, i don’t want to ruin this motor. I was hoping to achieve a few things;
            1) reduce the smoke
            2) reduce the oils slick, if only slightly
            3) make the motor run better

            I have heard accolades about Amsoil, lucas etc, and that their superior qualities reduce the need for such a heavy mix. So if I can do these things (WITHOUT PREMATURE WEAR), then why wouldn’t I?

            I am also wondering about eco oils or bio oils and if they work with old motors, but I will save that for another thread 🙂

            #38319
            Tubs
            Participant

              A "Boathouse Repair" is one that done without having tools or the skills to do it properly.

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              #38324
              fisherman6
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                US Member

                Tubs,
                While running a drier gas /oil mix goes against my practices and recommendations, I’m not closed-minded to the idea of reducing the amount of oil used. I am certainly concerned for the environment and want to keep the ability to run our motors in as many places as possible for as long as possible. I have strongly considered switching to a biodegradable fully synthetic TCW3 oil once my current supply is used up. I have about 2.5 gallons of synthetic blend left. While this would be considerably more costly monetarily, maybe I would be doing my part to reduce the overall cost and impact by doing this.

                I may need a bit more convincing / evidence that I am actually able to run less oil in the mix on the older babbitt and bronze bushing motors though. It’s still difficult for me to imagine that a more modern 2-stroke engine gets enough oil at 50:1 mix. I also know that the materials and processes uswd in building the newer engines have improves a lot along with the oils. I believe that lubrication technology has improved greatly over the past 60 years give or take from when many of these engines were new. I’m just not totally comfortable with how much better and I don’t want to of promise longevity of the engine. While I’m not totally on board yet, don’t feel like I’m the opposition either. 😉

                You are completely on point when you say the stuff that starts in CA will migrate East. It always does and it is indeed an early warning. I just need to know I’m not ruining my motors by trying to comply.
                -Ben

                OldJohnnyRude on YouTube

                #38327
                Tubs
                Participant

                  A "Boathouse Repair" is one that done without having tools or the skills to do it properly.

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                  #38330
                  fisherman6
                  Participant

                    US Member

                    Thanks for the PM Tubs!
                    -Ben

                    OldJohnnyRude on YouTube

                    #38388
                    Pete
                    Participant

                      US MEMBER PAY BY CHECK

                      Tubs how about showing us your objective results in a post here ❓

                      #38408
                      Tubs
                      Participant

                        A "Boathouse Repair" is one that done without having tools or the skills to do it properly.

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