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September 17, 2016 at 2:14 am #5276
THIS 1957 6 HP OLIVER I PICKED UP LAST WEEK IS THE BEST ORIGINAL OUTBOARD I HAVE EVER HAD. I WILL DO A COMPLETE TOOTH BRUSH CLEANING ON IT AS I GET TIME. IT HAS SPARK AND FAIR COMPERSSION AND STARTS WITH A SHOT OF FUEL IN THE CARB. THIS WILL BE WRAPPED IN BLANKETS LIKE MY MK 30 WHEN I GO TO MOVE. WOULD LIKE TO CONTACT OTHERS WITH OLIVERS. THIS WAS A ONE OWNER OUTBOARD. 😎 😎
September 17, 2016 at 3:08 am #44163Very nice example! You need to email Dick Gorz who runs the Oliver Cyber Museum. http://www.pfs-ware.com/ He was an actual Oliver Trained Tech Rep and knows more than anyone about them, a super nice guy. He recently sold his parts inventory off to someone by the name of Dan, I believe his website is: http://oliveroutboardfixation.com/
I have the previous year Challenger to yours, the Five 1/2. I’m sure you have seen the two Youtube videos I did about it, if not here are the links:
Video #1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVJoLAn1Xfg
Video #2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q768-B9SGpYYou better take a look at the coils, these motor use the Bendix Scintilla magnetos and those original coils have a 100% failure rate. Better change them now before they conk out and leave you stranded at the farthest point from the dock.
September 17, 2016 at 12:10 pm #44169Hugh, if you want to part it out I need a pinion carrier for the lower unit 🙂
It looks a LOT nicer than my 1956 J2, 5-1/2 hp.
I hope I’ll actually get to hear mine run some day!
As Lotec said, the coils if original, are probably shot.
Mine coils were under the hood when I got the outboard,
but in a plastic bag, along with a million pieces of broken
coil insulation!Prepare to be boarded!
September 17, 2016 at 1:19 pm #44170Hugh, what a really nice specimen of an Oliver!!! What a great score!!
Congrats,
Cajun
September 17, 2016 at 2:15 pm #44173As you can guess, NO PARTS for sale. Yes I like to fell over when I saw it sitting there. Not only being the 1st I’ve seen but in great condition. I will check out the coils the impeller when I have a chance depending on when our house sells. I have packed all my stuff already and even had to buy a fuel hose and a clamp for the 3.9 Merc that came with it to get it ready for sale.
September 18, 2016 at 12:14 am #44193I do not know if the parts will fit, but I have a 1955 5 1/2 Oliver that I am parting out. It is missing the lower unit, but other than that, is mostly complete.
September 18, 2016 at 11:36 am #44214I could really use a tiller handle. I have a 5 1/2 Oliver given to me this spring and it is in fantastic looking shape, save have had the tiller broken off and missing and having a split lower cowl pan. 😥 If you can spare either from your parts motor, I would be much obliged. PM me if you can help me out.
Thanks,
Mike
September 18, 2016 at 12:56 pm #44220Curious. Read all the online Oliver reviews with mixed results. What are the best mechanical reasons for owning an Oliver and which one and why?
September 18, 2016 at 2:50 pm #44231Hugh
Was the original owner afraid of the water? 😆
Nice looking motor!Steve A W
Member of the MOB chapter.
I live in Northwest IndianaSeptember 18, 2016 at 3:07 pm #44232quote 49Hiawatha:Curious. Read all the online Oliver reviews with mixed results. What are the best mechanical reasons for owning an Oliver and which one and why?Your question is like asking who makes the best truck, best apple pie or the best girl to marry – much depends on your personal taste. The Olivers are nice outboards, they were "fully jeweled" and the Bendix mags (when in good shape) deliver a nice hot spark and can troll all day without loading up. However, mechanically they are reed valve, cross-flow motors, basically identical to their competition save styling and color differences. Making a case for them mechanically is like "picking fly specks out of pepper…."
I wrote an article for our chapter’s newsletter comparing all of the "private label" 5hp to 6hp motors available in 1958, some of my findings on the Oliver-made Wizard would be the "fly specks" applicable to your question, others more "comfort and convenience" issues. Here are a few highlights:
The Wiz-iver 5 1/2 at 11.9 mph handily out performed the 5hp Gale (9.8mph) and 5hp Scott (10 mph) competition and was better than 1mph faster than the West Bend made Elgin 5 1/2. (Testing was on my 12′ Duranautic). I included the 5hp Kiekhaefer Wizard from the previous year in the testing, it was the fastest of all (13.2mph) but didn’t have F/N/R so the smaller gear case was a big advantage.
Other strong points for the Wiz-iver were quiet operation: 92 db as compared to the ear splitting 100 db for the Scott-Firestone, 99 for the Kiekhaefer and 94 for the West Bend Elgin. ( The Gale was quietest of all at a virtual whisper of 88 db) The Wiz-iver also offered decent serviceability for regular maintenance, far superior to the Kiekhaefer Wiz from the year before and better than the Gale.
Negatives for the Wiz-iver were the temperamental Bendix mag, relatively scarce parts availability and the top weight of the motors tested at 57lbs. (The catalog indicated 50lbs, either a mistake or gilding of the truth by the marketing folks!). They also have an oversize gear case and carrier bearing that Oliver must have sourced from a combine, I think you could pump 30hp through it with no issues!
Adding in their rarity as a factor, my personal feeling was the Wiz-iver is an excellent motor for the antique outboard enthusiast to own. And the Oliver tractor people don’t drive up the costs on the Wiz-ivers – however, since they were essentially a one-year offering, they don’t tend to be too common.
Hope this helps!
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