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  • #250817
    Buccaneer
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      I received my new transom pad today from Art DeKalb, and it looks real nice.
      What I’m wondering about is my old screw that the pad is to mount on.
      Are the ends of the screw suppose to have a complete round ball on the
      end?

      Mine has only half a ball. I don’t think it’s worn down that way, but perhaps someone
      machined it to fit a different pad at one time?
      Any ideas?
      The other screw has an original pad on it yet, so hard to tell what the end looks like. 🙂
      Thanks.

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      #250820
      Bob Wight
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        I’m no Elto expert, but that typical Elto/Evinrude transom pad needs a screw with a fully round ball like the one shown on Art’s website. I “think” you are right in that someone worked on that screw in the past to fit another type of pad. Here’s the screw Art has listed for the Elto Lightweight:

        http://www.precisionservoutboard.com/evinrude-elto-lightwin-lightweight-400-series-1930s-screw/

        Bob

        1937 Champion D2C Deluxe Lite Twin
        1954 Johnson CD-11
        1955 Johnson QD-16
        1957 Evinrude Fastwin 18
        1957 Evinrude 3022
        1958 Johnson QD-19
        1958 Johnson FD-12
        1959 Johnson QD-20

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        #250826
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          Thanks Bob, I did ask Art in an email, but never heard back yet.
          I didn’t think to look on his web page!
          I wonder if “alumi-braze” would take to it. Not sure I could gob enough
          on at one time in order to form a complete ball. Might work if
          I made a brass for around the end, then weld it up?

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          #250831
          Tubs
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            What you have there is the result of using a
            fender washer as a substitute for the missing
            pad. As the ball was forced into the hole of
            the washer it pushed some of the material back.
            If I could make a suggestion you could drill a
            hole into a piece of steel a little deeper than
            where you want to add some material. The
            alumi-braze really shrinks when it cools. Devise
            some way to balance the screw in the hole and
            fill the hole with the alumi-braze. It should pull
            out the steel. Your screw looks to be aluminum?
            If it is brass I don’t know if the a“alumi-braze”
            would stick to it.
            Tubs

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            #250833
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              Tubs, I think we’re on the same wave length on how to alumi-braze
              the ball up, but at looking at my last post, I see I shouldn’t try to
              compose a comprehensive sentence later in the evening. May have
              to edit that one!

              I was thinking of putting the sleeve / mold over the existing “half ball”,
              sticking up a ways, filling the sleeve with alumi-braze, and hoping
              I can get the sleeve off, and that the braze “sticks” to the screw.
              Your way may make life easier though.

              The screw is aluminum. Maybe a steel mold would be a better way to go
              than brass…….. not sure if it matters or not when alumi-brazing.
              Thanks!

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              #250834
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                Forgot to ask about attaching the transom pads. Is there a better
                way to bend the ears over the ball than a little hammer or punch?
                Is heat suggested?

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                #250835
                Bob Wight
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                  On my Champion restoration, I just used a hammer and punch with some light taps that worked fine. But I’d be interested to hear about other methods. I seem to remember a thread on this subject before where someone posted a picture of some type of homemade clamping device to squeeze the pad “ears” together.

                  Bob

                  1937 Champion D2C Deluxe Lite Twin
                  1954 Johnson CD-11
                  1955 Johnson QD-16
                  1957 Evinrude Fastwin 18
                  1957 Evinrude 3022
                  1958 Johnson QD-19
                  1958 Johnson FD-12
                  1959 Johnson QD-20

                  “Every 20 minute job is only a broken bolt away from a 3-day project.”
                  "Every time you remove a broken or seized bolt an angel gets his wings."

                  • This reply was modified 3 years, 8 months ago by Bob Wight.
                  #250839
                  Tubs
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                    I normally stick a
                    2X4 in the clamp assembly and tighten the
                    screw pushing it into the pad. Should pop in
                    by hand. If not use Bobs method.
                    I would suggest putting the screw & pad in
                    the freezer over night. Don’t know how much
                    of and effect it has on parts that small but
                    if you can shrink the ball a bit and open the
                    socket in the pad some it would increase your
                    odds in getting them together. Put on some
                    lubricant before you put them in the freezer.
                    A brass pad may be more forgiving. Its
                    difficult (for me anyway) to get the aluminum
                    ones apart with out breaking one of the ears.
                    Hard to find room in the freeze for the whole
                    clamp assembly and management probably
                    wouldn’t allow it any.
                    Tubs

                    A "Boathouse Repair" is one thats done without having tools or the skills to do it properly.

                    • This reply was modified 3 years, 8 months ago by Tubs.
                    #250858
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                      Tubs, perhaps my ball OD is a little undersize, but it slips into
                      the new pad with no problem. Of course the new pad’s ears
                      have never been cinched down, so perhaps it’s a different
                      story re-installing a used pad.

                      Anyhoo, here’s what I did with the screw and pad today.

                      I made a little sleeve for a mold, and put two 1/2″ nuts
                      below it, to force the mold off after alumi-brazing.
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                      The mold on the transom screw, ready for action.
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                      Removing the mold with the nuts…. that worked slick.
                      I ground the excess brazing off the top of the mold on
                      the belt sander first though.
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                      If I were to do it again, I would play the torch around the mold
                      a little bit after the mold was filled with braze, as I ended up
                      with a little void around the center perimeter. Don’t think
                      it’s going to matter much.
                      I finished it off by shaping the ball on the belt sander, little by
                      little, test fitting it in the pad. I also did a little deburring and
                      enlarging in the bottom of the pad’s socket with a Dremmel,
                      as Art said might be necessary.
                      Maybe I’ll try installing it back on the motor tomorrow.
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                      #250870
                      Bob Wight
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                        Buc – nice fix on the screw. Sounds like we had a similar experience with this repair. On my Champion project, I also had to reshape/reduce the ball on my transom screws as they were a bit too large for the new pads. On one pad, I also had to rework the socket a bit with a Dremel tool. After snapping the screws into the new pads, I tapped the pad ears down with a punch for a tighter fit. Art makes some nice castings.

                        Bob

                        1937 Champion D2C Deluxe Lite Twin
                        1954 Johnson CD-11
                        1955 Johnson QD-16
                        1957 Evinrude Fastwin 18
                        1957 Evinrude 3022
                        1958 Johnson QD-19
                        1958 Johnson FD-12
                        1959 Johnson QD-20

                        “Every 20 minute job is only a broken bolt away from a 3-day project.”
                        "Every time you remove a broken or seized bolt an angel gets his wings."

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