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  • #263554
    Buccaneer
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      This four cycle Lauson has my brain striving for more good brain cells.
      The parts diagrams only shows the crankcase breather as an assembly,
      and no hint of what’s inside of it.
      At first I was just thinking it was a “snorkel” up above the crankcase a ways
      so oil wouldn’t blow out the breather hole, so I blew compressed air through
      it to check for pluggage. Air came out. Hopefully I didn’t damage it.
      Then I got to thinking about the old automobile’s PCV (positive crankcase ventillation)
      valves, that were actual a check valve.
      When breathing through the small breather hole, air goes both ways, but sounds different
      and you can hear a faint click as well.
      Perhaps I should have been breathing through the big hole where it bolts on the
      crankcase, but it tasted bad enough as it was!

      Anyone know how the breather is suppose to function, or the proper way to test it,
      if it’s even necessary?

      If worse comes to worse, there’s an expansion plug staked in a hole in one end, that
      I could try to remove for a look see.
      As dirty and oily as the engine was, I have to wonder about it!

      Does the crankcase need to ventilate when the pistons are going “Up” and
      well as down? Perhaps the breather is designed for different flow rates depending
      on which was the pistons are going, i.e., breaking vacuum in the crankcase
      probably wouldn’t need as much flow through the valve as expelling the
      air in the crankcase when the pistons are going down?
      Okay, brain needs a break!

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      #263567
      frankr
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        Thinking back to my old lawn mower days now.  Any engine will have some piston /rings blowby when running.  That blowby would pressurize the crankcase if not allowed to escape, causing, among other things, seal leakage and sludge formation.  The simple breathers used on mower engines is just a check valve disk which opens with pressure and slaps shut with partial vacuum.  I guess the shut phase does allow some bypass.

         

        Of course, all that is illegal with modern engines where vapers are no allowed the escape to the atmosphere, but are re-routed back to the intake manifold for burning.

        #263568
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          Thanks Frank. I’ll try breathing through the crankcase end of the breather for fun this morning,
          but I’ll have a cup of coffee handy for a chaser!

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          #263601
          joecb
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            Bucc, my guess is that there are a series of sheet metal baffles under that cap. Kind of a zig -zag labyrinth to retard the progression of oil droplets/ vapor from blowing out the vent hole. Exactly the same set-up as on a Model A Ford oil fill/ vent tube.

            Joe B

            #263603
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              Joe, it sounds like there’s a disc or something moving inside
              when you breath through either end. When, or If I get it running,
              I’ll try to look and see if it’s blowing oil about.
              It seems like a lot of old push mower engines just had an elbow
              with a short hose on the valve cover, no check valve of any kind,
              for the breather.

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              #263604
              JOHN HOLBIK
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                Older car engines just used a tube to exhaust the gases from the crank case.It was called a road draft tube.

                #263605
                billw
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                  Buc, you are usually a guy after my own heart, diving in deep, deep, where nobody else would usually go. Now you have us all on the edge of our seat. You have just GOT to drill out that welsh plug and see what’s in there!

                  Long live American manufacturing!

                  #263610
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                    Older car engines just used a tube to exhaust the gases from the crank case.It was called a road draft tube.

                    Pretty sure my 56 Studebaker Champion, with a flathead six, had a draft tube.
                    I forgot about that high tech!

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                    #263611
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                      Buc, you are usually a guy after my own heart, diving in deep, deep, where nobody else would usually go. Now you have us all on the edge of our seat. You have just GOT to drill out that welsh plug and see what’s in there!

                      Bill, I’m going to look for one better cylinder head off the parts engine,
                      so maybe I’ll nab the breather off it at the same time and do some
                      “inspection”, lol.

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                      #263636
                      frankr
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                        Valve chamber on a B & S Model N, like the first engine I ever worked on, in 1954.  Breather is the device held down by a spring under the stud.  It basically is just a disk in a cage.

                         

                        Briggs-valve-chamber

                         

                        briggs-breather

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