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October 4, 2016 at 6:59 pm #5426
Hi Again All
Reassembling my ’15 Koban and have a couple more questions. The motor had a different head gasket on each cylinder. One is copper (but only .010′ thick) the other is ordinary gasket material thoroughly slimed with Permatex. I was a little worried that all the Permatex was there because the head was warped, but everything looks OK.
I’m guessing that new replacements aren’t available.
I assume copper is the way to go. The old gasket is in good shape so I’m considering annealing it and reinstalling it, and making another one for the other cylinder.
Also, what is the correct spark plug? Our local steam and gas engine club fall show is coming up, and I might be able to find a set there.
Thanks,
Rich R.October 4, 2016 at 8:34 pm #45189The head gaskets on my ’21 are a copper composite construction and are fairly thick. I’ll probably end up cutting new ones when the time comes using some old flameproof Garlock material I have. Not sure about the plugs. The lettering on mine is inlegible.
PM T2 should have your answers. He’s the expert on these motors! 😀
October 4, 2016 at 10:17 pm #452081915 would use a spark plug with 1/2" pipe thread. You can use Champion X if you can find them. I have seen them with everything from Champion to Splittorff plugs in them, anything with a 1/2" pipe thread base is fair game.
For cheap modern equivalent, Autolite 3095 does the trick.
Re-use the copper head gaskets if at all possible. These are not high compression engines, so severe leakage is unlikely as long as the mating surfaces are flat and you clean the gasket up as much as possible.
Hope this helps.
Best,
PM T2He's livin' in his own private Idaho..... I hope to go out quietly in my sleep, like my grand-dad did..... and not screaming, like the passengers in his car...
October 4, 2016 at 10:53 pm #45210Gentlemen-
Thanks for the responses. I think I’ll make some new gaskets from some .020 copper sheet, annealed dead soft(?). I’ve used similar ones on another project.
The plugs question sounds like it will be less complicated than I thought. I was thinking it would be much more critical. I should be able to score a couple at the steam/gas engine show this weekend.
Thanks
Rich ROctober 5, 2016 at 12:32 am #45224Chris,
Does the copper make a good gasket in general? How would it compare, preventing compression loss, compared to a paper style gasket? Would it seal by the "crushing" type effect of the soft copper? If so, in my little brain, I would think they are a one time use or no? When you install them, do they go in dry?
Cheers
October 5, 2016 at 1:46 am #45228The original gaskets were copper sandwich type. My current Koban project has those on it. I have also seen gaskets made out of plain copper sheeting. Considering the low compression ratio, lack of cooling water passages in the cylinder heads, the relative rarity of the engine itself, then factor in that most Kobans won’t typically have to endure endless hours of running time – I don’t see a huge risk in re-using the gaskets, as long as they are in decent shape with no rotted, corroded, or burned-out areas.
If they were a more intricate gasket that had to seal off water passage openings on both the block and cylinder head, it "might" be a different matter – but they don’t, so I don’t worry about it. My success rate for re-using this type of gasket in antique motors is pretty much 100%, both for head and exhaust manifold gaskets. again, overall condition is important, and is why I take great care in disassembling these old relics. Old gaskets don’t wear out, but they can get destroyed when disassembly is taking place.
FWIW – I prefer install the copper sandwich type gaskets dry, without any sealer. That might not be the right way to do it, but I do it that way and it works.
Hope this helps.
Best,
PM T2PS – Jim, if you’re not going to re-use those head gaskets, feel free to send them to me eh, I love recycling rowboat motor parts.
He's livin' in his own private Idaho..... I hope to go out quietly in my sleep, like my grand-dad did..... and not screaming, like the passengers in his car...
October 11, 2016 at 8:11 pm #45631Hi All-
I recently restored a 1966 Triumph motorcycle that used copper head gaskets. The manuals say if they aren’t damaged, the gaskets can be reused but they should be annealed by heating to red heat and quenching in water. I did that and they’re working fine.I’m also told that the annealing is not absolutely necessary but it’s easy to do.
I wasn’t sure it would be the same for the old Koban because the heads are such a different animal. Sounds like it’ll work the same way.
The Garlock material sounds interesting, too. Too bad what’s happening to them. Garlock’s a good company.
-RR
October 11, 2016 at 9:24 pm #45637quote sputnik16335:Hi All-
I recently restored a 1966 Triumph motorcycle that used copper head gaskets. The manuals say if they aren’t damaged, the gaskets can be reused but they should be annealed by heating to red heat and quenching in water. I did that and they’re working fine.I’m also told that the annealing is not absolutely necessary but it’s easy to do.
I wasn’t sure it would be the same for the old Koban because the heads are such a different animal. Sounds like it’ll work the same way.
The Garlock material sounds interesting, too. Too bad what’s happening to them. Garlock’s a good company.
-RR
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I agree and was thinking the same !
when I reuse copper washers , I heat them up and cool it fast in water, it makes the copper soft again
and it will work better to seal.
.October 12, 2016 at 4:32 am #45671
I was taught that rapid cooling of a heated metal (Quenching) made it harder. Conversely, slow cooling made the metal softer – ? ? ?

October 12, 2016 at 10:10 am #45678quote Garry in Tampa:
I was taught that rapid cooling of a heated metal (Quenching) made it harder. Conversely, slow cooling made the metal softer – ? ? ?

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not with red copper, it will become softer this way
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