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    JOSEPH BRINCAT
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      Hello all. Following up on a discussion about old/ obsolete American Standard Screw sizes… I found my reference chart for sizes from #2 to #30 . This from an old fastener manufacturing company. When measuring the diameter of the thread, remember that the thread will be a few thousands smaller that the nominal body size.

      Hope it will be useful and prevent problems from “almost alike” fasteners.

      Joe B

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      Mumbles
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        That’s a handy chart and thanks for posting it!

        And there are the #14 screws Johnson used on their rope sheaves which commonly get mistaken for being 1/4″.

        What is the length the last column would be referring to?

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          The lengths in the last column, are the standard range of lengths that this company , The American Screw Company produced.

          Joe B

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          #247095
          Tubs
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            Early Johnson had an odd shear pin Dia. as
            well. I haven’t had any luck finding brass rod
            that size.
            Tubs

            A "Boathouse Repair" is one thats done without having tools or the skills to do it properly.

            #247164
            PM T2
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              The screws used in the earlier Johnson rope sheaves are 10-30 screws. My South Bend lathe has no setting for cutting 30 threads per inch. My Cardiff does, but I don’t have the necessary headstock gear for it. I bought a 10-30 die from a place in Michigan for 11 dollars US. I use it to make new rope plate screws, and also made screws that work with my puller kit so I don’t have to hammer on the flywheel nut to get the flywheel off.

              But here’s one for you. Check out the slotted hex-head bolts that are used to fasten the cylinder castings to the crankcase. They are 20 TPI but the major diameter measures at about 0.260″, whereas most 1/4″ fasteners measure a few thou under 0.250″. Using a regular 1/4-20 fastener is not recommended for that particular application.

              Hope it helps, but it’s somebody else’s fault if it doesn’t

              Best,
              PM T2

              He's livin' in his own private Idaho..... I hope to go out quietly in my sleep, like my grand-dad did..... and not screaming, like the passengers in his car...

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              JOSEPH BRINCAT
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                Dear Prime Minister … 0.260 (that be 6.604 mm for some of you guys) is likely the #16 -20 from the chart, body diameter of 0.268

                Joe B

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                Tubs
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                  This is the little bugger. Luckily they don’t
                  get the attention that the flywheel screws do
                  so they are, normally, still in good condition.
                  Tubs

                  A "Boathouse Repair" is one thats done without having tools or the skills to do it properly.

                  #247486
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                    I ran across an odd size thread today, on the 1925 Elto Lightwin, model C,
                    on the water outlet tube that goes thru the exhaust manifold.
                    I had no tap or die for this one.

                    The thread OD measured .388, and it has 27 TPI.
                    I didn’t even know my thread gauge has 27 tpi, let
                    alone hear of that thread.

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                    Prepare to be boarded!

                    #247497
                    JOSEPH BRINCAT
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                      One encounters 27 tpi on some pipe fittings, with out going down to the shop to measure, I’ll bet that that is a 1/8 NPS ( National Pipe Straight) as opposed to the common 1/8 NPT ( Tapered) , both are 27 TPI. I think that if you go to a lamp supply store , you will discover that the common threaded tube in most light fixtures is 1/8 (27 tpi) NPS

                      AND yet another caution… careful that there is a British 1/8 pipe that is 28 TPI

                      All this is great fun , and we haven’t even gotten into the metric and Whitworth stuff yet.

                      Joe B

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                        Joe, I should have thought about the pipe thread possibility!
                        The specs I found are pretty close to what I have…….

                        Nominal Pipe Size (inch) – 1/8″ NPT
                        No. Of Threads Per Inch – 27
                        Outside Dia. (inch) – 0.405

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