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  • #256604
    AndyC
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      Hello all, long time lurker, first time poster.

      Slightly perplexed here working on a 1958 Evinrude Fastwin 18HP.  In the process of getting this beauty running again, I got a pair of points P/N: 580148 which I believe to be BRP points.  Completely surprised to discover that the pad would not make contact with the cam on the crank regardless of the eccentric adjustment.  Fast forward to points set #2, I purchased. Sierra kit P/N: 18-5006, and wouldn’t you know it, the points base will not fit on the armature plate, the tab for the points spring is to wide and hits the coil.  Am I missing something here?

      Attached is the Sierra points base.

      AFC049CD-3A21-4C83-855E-AB0FFCBCC298

      • This topic was modified 3 years, 6 months ago by Mumbles.
      #256609
      Buccaneer
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        US Member

        Search the threads. There’s been a lot of complaints about point sets
        now that none are made in the US.

        Prepare to be boarded!

        #256612
        crosbyman
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          Canada Member

          those coils marked  3-22  seem to take up a lot of room .. are you certain these coils are  for the   OMC  mag plate .

          what coil # are they   ?   recent purchases ??   … what about the old coils  can you compare shapes. (spread)

          if not the coils can you post side by side and overlapping pictures of your new points and old  ones  ?

           

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          #256614
          AndyC
          Participant

            Thank you for the prompt replies.  The coils are new CDI coils P/N: 183-4477 and measure 3.5” tip to tip the same as removed which are what I assume to be OMC/BRP coils labeled 583249 (I believe them to actually be P/N: 0584477).

            Some measurements from the original, BRP and Sierra points.

            Base at spring tab:

            Original: .877

            BRP:        .842

            Sierra:     .891

            Cam block:

            Original: .158

            BRP:        .145

            Sierra:     .171

            The original and BRP points bases fit, the Sierra does not.

            The BRP points cam block does not touch the crank cam.

            I can get it to work using the BRP base with the Sierra upper points, but I don’t think I should have to buy 4 sets of points to get two good ones.

            #256619
            AndyC
            Participant

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              E0070304-BDDD-4DC5-A29B-6AB3A87285A3177FA5A2-9EFF-468E-A1D4-F993F1179420

               

              #256624
              Bob Wight
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                US Member

                I had a similar problem on my ’57 Fastwin ignition rebuild.  I also used the CDI 183-4477 coils with no problem but the rub block on the new BRP  580148 points was shorter than the original points that were in the motor.  I don’t recall the measurements I took at the time but when using the new points I could only get a maximum points gap of .018 – see pic enclosed.  The older BRP points made in Turkey always worked fine – the newer versions made in Hong Kong are not as good and on my Fastwin project, the BRP points stated Made in USA on the packaging.   Too much outsourcing of parts again I guess.

                03-Points-580148

                09-Points-at-0.018-Maximum

                Bob

                1937 Champion D2C Deluxe Lite Twin
                1954 Johnson CD-11
                1955 Johnson QD-16
                1957 Evinrude Fastwin 18
                1957 Evinrude 3022
                1958 Johnson QD-19
                1958 Johnson FD-12
                1959 Johnson QD-20

                “Every 20 minute job is only a broken bolt away from a 3-day project.”
                "Every time you remove a broken or seized bolt an angel gets his wings."

                #256631
                AndyC
                Participant

                  @Buccaneer I did do a search prior to posting.  It appears that the consensus was to enlarge the eccentric hole to allow for more movement.  On the BRP points set, even with the eccentric screw completely removed and the points plate pushed all the way over touching the condenser screw boss, I still am only able to get .014 gap.

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                  #256636
                  crosbyman
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                    Canada Member

                    well they sure measure different  hopefully the folks at Sierra can be  feed back this info to prove to them they are selling crappy  products and if they continue they won’t be selling this line of product much longer to folks in the know……

                    As to the   modification   ” the consensus was to enlarge the eccentric hole to allow for more movement.”    and   then  not being able to reach .020  my understanding is that  points gap  is not  criticial as long as the points open at TDC  with the  VOM method or  points timing    tool .

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga1Cjymj6ms&feature=youtu.be

                     

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                    • This reply was modified 3 years, 6 months ago by crosbyman.
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                    #256640
                    lindy46
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                      I also had to remove the eccentric screw to get the “genuine BRP” points (made in China ) to work. Also had to grind down the spot where the point base hit the condenser  casting and finally got them to open to 020″. I’ve got lots of old used point sets which I think I will “recondition”. Probably better than dealing with the junk they’re now producing.

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                      #256643
                      frankr
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                        I also had to remove the eccentric screw to get the “genuine BRP” points (made in China ) to work. Also had to grind down the spot where the point base hit the condenser  casting and finally got them to open to 020″. I’ve got lots of old used point sets which I think I will “recondition”. Probably better than dealing with the junk they’re now producing.

                        • This reply was modified 3 years, 6 months ago by lindy46.

                        Pretty much sums it up.  Gotta do what you gotta do.

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