Home Forum Ask A Member QD15 gear housing teardown! (Update)

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    John Gragg
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      So I dropped the lower to replace the impeller. Of course I snapped the head off the screw that goes thru the pump housing water jacket. Tried for 3 days: heat/pb blaster/more heat, etc. It still snapped off, so another patience lesson learned though.

      I was able to get the rest of the screw out. Whew!

      My question…the driveshaft seal was junk, so since I had one on hand I removed the old one. In the process I know for a fact a few very small metal shavings made it down into the gear housing. I think my best option is to open it up and clean everything and put it back together.

      Am I getting in over my head? I thought about flushing with ATF but then there is no guarantee I get all the metal out. I also may need to replace the prop seal, so might be a good idea to do this anyway? The impeller was beyond old, the driveshaft seal the same. I don’t expect the lower innards to be any better…

      Advice?

      Best Regards

      John Gragg
      RIverside, CA

      Just starting in the hobby, please be patient.

      48 Sea King 5hp GG9014A. Sold
      49 Sea King 5hp GG9014A
      48 Johnson TD20. Sold
      49 Johnson TD20. Sold
      54 Johnson QD15. Sold
      55 Johnson CD12. Sold
      57 Johnson RJE-19M
      57 Johnson RDE-19

      #282445
      RICK EICHRODT
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        My advice, be patient, take your time and tear down the lower unit.  That way when it is through, you will know everything was replaced (seals and o rings)!  If you just replace the driveshaft seal, next to go out will be the prop shaft seal and then the shift rod o-ring.

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        #282446
        crosbyman
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          Canada Member

          parts list if you don’t have it

          don’t forget a pressure test after  🙂

          Joining AOMCI has priviledges 🙂

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          #282449
          seakaye12
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            In my experience the shift shaft seal (O-ring) is often the first to go and even though it is only an O-ring….the gearcase has to be split to replace it.

            I usually do that after I get the engine up and running;  no point to invest in a bunch of seals if the motor has some other “fatal flaw”

            Member Ben Breitner has done a great series on servicing OMC engines;  here is one of his series on gearcase R&R:

            https://youtu.be/BRgcg4haPuo?si=K4xsTiOEzKRtAXyV

            There is a simple tool made to remove the shift shaft seal bushing.  A MUST HAVE.  

            0304514 Shift Rod Bushing Service / Removal Tool

             

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            #282459
            John Gragg
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              Thanks all. Ordered the tool Seakaye mentioned today.  Was able to make a simple removal tool for getting the bushing out. It is still in great shape, so no problem there. Prop shaft in excellent shape as well, so good there too. O-rings on order, spaghetti seal coming also.

              Everything has been cleaned and is ready as soon as the parts get here.

              Does anyone know how to reach out to Ben Brietner (sp?)? I saw a post where he is mentioned as selling a punch set for making seals/packings for Erudes/Johnsons out of cork gasket material?

              Thanks all!

              Best Regards

              John Gragg
              RIverside, CA

              Just starting in the hobby, please be patient.

              48 Sea King 5hp GG9014A. Sold
              49 Sea King 5hp GG9014A
              48 Johnson TD20. Sold
              49 Johnson TD20. Sold
              54 Johnson QD15. Sold
              55 Johnson CD12. Sold
              57 Johnson RJE-19M
              57 Johnson RDE-19

              #282468
              seakaye12
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                Ben is in the Member directory.   Do you have the printed copy of the 2023 Member directory?   You could PM him here or contact him through the Youtube link I posted above. He’s also on Facebook

                #282469
                crosbyman
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                  https://youtu.be/6YobPeOyBmM

                   

                  here is another method

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                  #282470
                  fleetwin
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                    OK, well my first question is, do you already have the gearcase apart?  If not, I would replace the upper seal, reinstall the driveshaft, then pressure test to see if in fact there are more leaks and where they are….  All the new seals and orings in the world are not going to repair a grooved shaft, porous/cracked casting.

                    I am frustrated when folks are encouraged to pull these clam shell gearcases apart and reseal them.  Sealing one of these units up properly (zero leaks) is no easy task!  So, I would ask how bad was the gear lube that was in the gearcase?  Just milky?  Or, was there actually raw water inside.  It’s probably not worth pulling this thing all apart for a minor leak (milky gear lube).  Chances are good you will find more problems or make things worse by going inside and trying to reseal it.  Perhaps the upper seal is all that was wrong…

                    As for Ben’s video on youtube, that method will only work on the 9.9/15hp gearcases where the shift rod can be removed without gearcase disassembly, there is no way of removing your shift rod without complete disassembly.  The only thing I would comment about Ben’s method is that the shift rod bushing should probably be replaced after gouging it up putting threads in it.

                    #282475
                    John Gragg
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                      I looked at the directory posted in the inner sanctum but he wasn’t there? It was the email address list, maybe the wrong list?

                      No worries tho, I was binge watching his videos last night and I came across his punch tool video which gave me the idea to try messaging him in the comments, which led to accidently learning how to message someone from YouTube. He emailed back this morning and I’m sending a check today.

                      Thanks!

                      Best Regards

                      John Gragg
                      RIverside, CA

                      Just starting in the hobby, please be patient.

                      48 Sea King 5hp GG9014A. Sold
                      49 Sea King 5hp GG9014A
                      48 Johnson TD20. Sold
                      49 Johnson TD20. Sold
                      54 Johnson QD15. Sold
                      55 Johnson CD12. Sold
                      57 Johnson RJE-19M
                      57 Johnson RDE-19

                      #282478
                      John Gragg
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                        US Member

                        OK, well my first question is, do you already have the gearcase apart?  If not, I would replace the upper seal, reinstall the driveshaft, then pressure test to see if in fact there are more leaks and where they are….  All the new seals and orings in the world are not going to repair a grooved shaft, porous/cracked casting.

                        I am frustrated when folks are encouraged to pull these clam shell gearcases apart and reseal them.  Sealing one of these units up properly (zero leaks) is no easy task!  So, I would ask how bad was the gear lube that was in the gearcase?  Just milky?  Or, was there actually raw water inside.  It’s probably not worth pulling this thing all apart for a minor leak (milky gear lube).  Chances are good you will find more problems or make things worse by going inside and trying to reseal it.  Perhaps the upper seal is all that was wrong…

                        As for Ben’s video on youtube, that method will only work on the 9.9/15hp gearcases where the shift rod can be removed without gearcase disassembly, there is no way of removing your shift rod without complete disassembly.  The only thing I would comment about Ben’s method is that the shift rod bushing should probably be replaced after gouging it up putting threads in it.

                        You may have missed the reason for the proposed teardown. Short story: impeller replacement in a new to me motor with history unknown.  Lube in gearcase suspect, looked too perfect. Probably never been run…

                        Did not realized one screw is in water jacket, as hard as i tried, busted head off. I cant believe someone actually engineered it that way. Ended up with a damaged pump housing and bits of metal in the gearcase getting the remaining screw out. Driveshaft seal was BAD, driveshaft in great shape. 000 steel wool and pb blaster cleaned it right up. Impeller may have been original. Worried about getting all the tiny bits of metal out of the gearcase.

                        I was 100% successful in getting the shift shaft bushing out with zero damage. I did not use a tap, I used a 5/16 allthread with the threads ground down slightly at the tip. Came right out. I have already checked, shift shaft fits in bushing, no interference, etc. (Bushing is NLA, as far as I can tell.)

                        O-ring was in decent shape, but is getting replaced anyway. Prop shaft seal in great shape, not replacing. Prop shaft seal carrier o-ring is also getting replaced.

                        Ben’s video is very straightforward. I see no reason for concern and I plan to pressure test once I am finished with reassembly.

                        So no, I didn’t tear it apart just to reseal it. Despite my best attempts at keeping the internals clean, I was certain I saw a small chunk of the driveshaft seal collar fall into the case. (I had to dismember the seal to get it out). So rather than have chunks grinding up my gearcase, I agreed with the assisting members and pulled it apart. I’m very happy I did and with the advice I received.

                        Thank you

                        Best Regards

                        John Gragg
                        RIverside, CA

                        Just starting in the hobby, please be patient.

                        48 Sea King 5hp GG9014A. Sold
                        49 Sea King 5hp GG9014A
                        48 Johnson TD20. Sold
                        49 Johnson TD20. Sold
                        54 Johnson QD15. Sold
                        55 Johnson CD12. Sold
                        57 Johnson RJE-19M
                        57 Johnson RDE-19

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