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    Tyler Rhoades
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      Hello all! I currently have my 1946 TD-20 power head in pieces. There’s a lot of salt deposit inside the water passages and I was wondering, what is the best way to clean it all out? Compressed air and denatured alcohol don’t seem to do much. Thanks!

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      #277028
      crosbyman
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        salt or calcium…  try strong  10% +  warmed up  vinegar

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        #277038
        Bob Wight
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          Either a strong vinegar solution or best option is one of the marine descaler products available from a number of suppliers – StarBrite, West Marine, Rydlyme, Bright Bay Hammerhead, etc.    All of the descaler products are an acid base so be sure to flush the passages thoroughly with lots of water after the treatment.   Since I run my ETEC 150 in saltwater year round, I flush it after every use with Salt Away.   I also flush it once a year with the Hammerhead descaler – it’s the least acidic yet still does a good job of cleaning the water passages.   Even with the Salt Away after every use, I still get quite a bit of junk out of the motor with the once a year Hammerhead treatment.

          Bob

          1937 Champion D2C Deluxe Lite Twin
          1954 Johnson CD-11
          1955 Johnson QD-16
          1957 Evinrude Fastwin 18
          1958 Johnson QD-19
          1958 Johnson FD-12
          1959 Johnson QD-20

          “Every 20 minute job is only a broken bolt away from a 3-day project.”
          "Every time you remove a broken or seized bolt an angel gets his wings."

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          #277044
          crosbyman
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            on the ETEC board  one  expert mecanic  stated he uses 50% water and  muriatic acid…. on hard to get calcium/salt    wear eye / skin protection

             

             

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            #277055
            Bob Wight
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              Most of the shops in my area also use a 50/50 water-muriatic mix when they do a descaling flush on an outboard.   Most of the available descaler products on the market are usually a hydrochloric or phosphoric acid mix.   I’ll be doing my annual Hammerhead descaler flush on my ETEC this weekend.

              Bob

              1937 Champion D2C Deluxe Lite Twin
              1954 Johnson CD-11
              1955 Johnson QD-16
              1957 Evinrude Fastwin 18
              1958 Johnson QD-19
              1958 Johnson FD-12
              1959 Johnson QD-20

              “Every 20 minute job is only a broken bolt away from a 3-day project.”
              "Every time you remove a broken or seized bolt an angel gets his wings."

              #277058
              frankr
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                Hmmmm.  Some testimony from a couple of knowledgeable and respected people.  But I dunno.  Water, plain old H2O is the solvent for salt.  But I’d like to see some evidence of what effect acid has on aluminum.  Anybody done some actual tests on dis-assembled parts to see what happens?  In the meantime, I don’t think I’ll be putting any in my motors.

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                #277060
                Bob Wight
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                  Back in 2012 or so, I had a constant overheating problem on my old Evinrude 115 Ocean Pro.   In my local shallow bay systems, we tend to pick up a lot of shell and sand in our motors.  Changing water pumps and thermostats made no difference and my local shop wanted to do the muriatic acid flush on it.   I thought that was too extreme so after some research I settled on the Hammerhead marine descaler which at the time was the only descaler specifically advertised as being safe for use in aluminum outboards.   Despite doing a 15 minute water Salt Away flush after every run, the first treatment with Hammerhead pulled a pile of sand, tiny shell fragments and scale out of the motor and the overheat problem was solved.   That’s when I started doing the annual descaler treatment.   Shortly before selling that boat and motor, I pulled the cylinder heads off just to have a look at the water jackets – they were very clean with no sign of etching or pitting caused by the descaler treatments.   I’m still not convinced that running hydrochloric acid through a motor is a great idea, but as long as you thoroughly flush the motor afterwards, it’s probably OK.   My old 1998 115 Ocean Pro is still running strong with one of my neighbors with no apparent ill effects from my descaler treatments.

                  Bob

                  1937 Champion D2C Deluxe Lite Twin
                  1954 Johnson CD-11
                  1955 Johnson QD-16
                  1957 Evinrude Fastwin 18
                  1958 Johnson QD-19
                  1958 Johnson FD-12
                  1959 Johnson QD-20

                  “Every 20 minute job is only a broken bolt away from a 3-day project.”
                  "Every time you remove a broken or seized bolt an angel gets his wings."

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                  #277067
                  frankr
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                    Interesting.  So, it removed the shell stuff.  Guess what?  I Googled the hammerhead product.  They claim it removes zebra mussels.  I reckon it does have some redeeming qualities.

                    #277068
                    Bob Wight
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                      US Member

                      I ran the Hammerhead descaler on my ETEC this afternoon and cycled it through the motor for about 3 hours.  At the end of the flushing, the solution had turned a darker color and I found a few ounces of fine sand and a little shell in the bottom of the solution tub.  It also cleaned out a lot of salt scale in the thermostat housings.

                      Bob

                      1937 Champion D2C Deluxe Lite Twin
                      1954 Johnson CD-11
                      1955 Johnson QD-16
                      1957 Evinrude Fastwin 18
                      1958 Johnson QD-19
                      1958 Johnson FD-12
                      1959 Johnson QD-20

                      “Every 20 minute job is only a broken bolt away from a 3-day project.”
                      "Every time you remove a broken or seized bolt an angel gets his wings."

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