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    Richard Findlow
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      Restoring a 1924 Johnson Model B 12309. I have a few quections on accuracy.
      1) The tiller handel & it’s mounting bracket look like they are worn down to copper, but may have had a plating, such as nickle, over the copper as original. Is plating original?
      2) What should the finish be on the driveshaft tube?
      3) I have removed the lower unit,but can’t get the powerhead to come loose from its flange. Removed screws,& tapped lightly with a soft mallet, but won’t budge. Am I missing something, or could there be sealer on the gasket, & I just need to tap harder?
      I appreciate any help on these questions.
      Thanks

      #252130
      davidk
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        US Member - 2 Years

        Can we see some pictures?

        #252140
        pm-t2
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          Canada Member - 2 Years

          Tiller handle and its grab bar are probably brass and should be nickel plated. There is supposed to be a leather-wrapped wooded grip on the tiller handle.

          Driveshaft tube should be nickel plated as well, but I have to check that. The model B was the first salt-water model Johnson and I believe the main difference between the A and the B was the type of drive and propeller shafts used. The model “A” Johnson definitely had a nickel-plated driveshaft tube. Early models used a steel tube that was nickeled, but they switched to all brass tubes at some point in 1923.

          If the four screws directly underneath the powerhead have been taken out, and your lower unit has also been taken off, then the only thing bonding the base of the crankcase to that flange is friction or corrosion or strong sealer, of a combination of the three. I’d suggest some gentle heating from a propane torch to warm things up, then find a place to nudge it with a plastic hammer or dead-blow mallet with a non-marring face and try to break it loose. Make sure your water pipes are all undone as well.

          Hope this helps.

          Best,
          PM t2

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          #252161
          The Boat House
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            This fits inside the drive shaft tube. It may be stuck from corrosion.
            Try gripping the flange, not the tube, in some way and with some
            twisting it should break free.
            Tubs

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            #252796
            Max Jordan
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              US Member - 2 Years

              Greetings,
              I have a 1924 Johnson model A25 which apparently in the fresh water version of your B25. My father owned this and I recall it running in the late 50’s when I was a boy. I have inherited it and I want to get it running and restore it to it original condition.

              I need to become educated in these machines and get it running first. My goal is to make it a functional as brand new and as beautiful as the Velo Museum’s 1925 model on display in Velo, Ill. I have attached a photo of their A25. Mine is a long way from this.

              I would appreciate any advice and guidance.

              I live outside of Boston and I have a home on Lake Winnipesaukee NH where I want to drive a cedar strip row boat with my 1924 Johnson in the antique boat parade every summer. Its no Kris craft but….either am I.

              #252801
              The Boat House
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                If your serial number is somewhere between 7501 and 20,000
                your motor is a 1924. If your flywheel says A-25 your motor
                is a 1925 or 26. Serial number over 20,001.
                Take off the prop and remove the cover on the gear case.
                If your lucky you will find a brown lubricant without any
                water and the gears in good condition. You want to clean out
                the gear case as best you can. You will fill it with either John
                Deere Corn Head Grease or Lubriplate 105 Assembly Grease
                but waited till your ready to run the motor. You want to
                remove the water pump and check the condition of the
                pump piston. Also remove the 2 hex caps. These are check
                valves. Inspect their condition. They need to be clean and
                free to operate properly.
                There are 3 screws holding on the rope sheave. These screws
                have a thread that isn’t available today. Be careful with them
                and don’t loose them. You will need to make a “Knocker to
                remove the flywheel. Watch the video on how to use it.
                If you don’t weld you can just jam 2 nuts together. These
                usually only need the points cleaned to have the spark return.
                Inspect the fuel system. Clean carb., gas tank, as necessary.
                Be sure the fuel line is clear and the vent hole in the gas cap
                isn’t plugged. If you have any questions, ask. Someone here
                should be able to help you.
                Tubs

                https://youtu.be/RWgE9XiIBnk

                #252866
                Max Jordan
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                  US Member - 2 Years

                  Wow great information. I expect that I will need to replace the sparkplug wires. They look rough. Where do I buy parts?

                  I agree that it is probably a 1925. I need to go down in the snow to the shed and check the serial number. When I checked the serial numbers last summer I came up with 1925 so the serial number was in the 20,000 range.

                  Thanks again. Once I get it running I will take it apart and polish it up and paint as appropriate. Where do I get advice on restoration?

                  Max

                  #252884
                  pm-t2
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                    Canada Member - 2 Years

                    This is the best place for the information you need to be successful in restoring, repairing, reviving, or whatever you’re going to do to your motor.

                    Keep coming back here. Better yet, think about joining the AOMCI and becoming a full-fledged member. There are plenty of friendly and helpful AOMCI members on your side of the country that would welcome you to the club and also be a great resource for you going forward.

                    Hope this helps.

                    Best,
                    PM T2

                    #252890
                    lyks2tinkr
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                      US Member - 2 Years

                      To confirm the serial number look on the lower crankcase flange. The serial number should be stamped there and should match the number on the rope plate.
                      It’s not uncommon to find motors with the rope plate replaced.

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                      #252911
                      The Boat House
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                        Parts- Decals, spark plugs and spark plug wire, condensers,
                        are about all that is available as far as new parts. Someone
                        has reproduced the leather covered, wooden grip at one
                        time but recent contact (second hand to me) with that
                        individual reviled that there isn’t any available as this time.
                        If you can, make what you have unusable. Parts come from
                        other motors. There is a free classified ad section on this
                        website. Checking eBay, craigslist, and other internet sights
                        may produce a part or parts motor. There are also individual
                        who sell used parts.
                        Nothing was painted. Everything brass should be nickel
                        plated. Nuts, screws, bolts, prop nut, water pump, ect.,as well
                        as the copper fuel and water tubing.
                        Changing the spark plug wires.
                        First challenge is the remove the wire nuts.
                        They are easily broken and difficult to replace.
                        Second, you’ll find that where the wires connect to the coil is
                        sealed with Tar. A heat gun will soften the tar enough so that
                        you can remove the coil. Originally the connection is made
                        with springs inside glass tubes. Most people don’t notice those
                        parts were even in there as they get lost in the tar when removing
                        it. Kerosene works as well as anything to clean up the parts.
                        Picture shows how I connect the new wires. I don’t think too
                        many people replace the tar once its removed.
                        Tubs

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