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      Is there a parts manual for just the subject motor?
      The only data I have has several models clumped together,
      with incomplete data, diagrams that don’t match the
      parts numbers, etc., ……. just plain confusing.

      I’m trying specifically determine what oil seals I may need.
      Also, I’m not finding anything regarding seals for the KF5’s
      listed at various parts sites, but it would probably help
      if I had specific parts numbers.
      Thanks.

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      seakaye12
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        Buc….check your e-mail

        #297973
        MIKE SIMS
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          Here’s the gear housing. Post if you need more.

          KF5

          KF5b

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          jeff-register
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            Buc,

            I had one. Very interesting to change lower crankshaft seal down the long tube. I had a hard time doing mine, I didn’t remove the lower housing rivits. I used fiber optic light rope to see & a LONG 1/4″ extention to tap into place using the female end on the seal. Check wiith

            Fergoson Poole on line for parts. I remember Joe had an upgraded seal kit for the top crankshaft seal too. Very nice guy. I can dig for what you need, send me a message & Ill copy And send, Have mucho on Mercs.

            Even being in a wheel chair I can still contribute to our hobby!!

            Jeff

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              Thanks for your help and offers. I “think” I’m good to go now,
              but if not, I’ll let you know.

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                A few rekated thoughts that may
                help muddy the water. Prewar Kiekhaefers had parts list as part of owners manual. Post 1953 Kiekhaefer adopete the parts manual and parts numbering system used up to present. Post WW2 to when the
                current parts system was adopted Kiekhaefer had a chart
                system with part numbers with
                an “M” prefix. Kiekhaefer issued a New Parts List converting the two prior part
                systems to the new system as
                well as revised parts manuala
                which combined models made in
                a series such as KF5, Mark 5
                and Mark 6 as well as KE7 thru
                KF7,KG7 and KG4. This can be very helpful when looking for a replacement part as Kiekhaeft often used same part
                on several models or sometimes
                only for one year on one model. Same part number means same part. Kiekhaefer usually
                issued its own part number for
                vendor supplied items such at bearings and seals, Usually these can be crossed back to
                vendor part number.
                The lower seal on KF5, Mark 5
                ect, had a Mercury Service Tool which doubled as a stand.
                I once had part of the tool
                and gave it to one who worked
                on the KF5 series.
                opinion with no cah value
                Louis

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                  Interesting information Louis. I wouldn’t mind the shared parts list,
                  but sometimes all the parts diagrams floating around don’t always
                  say what exact model they are, so there some deductions and guess work
                  involved, lol.

                  I managed to get the gearcase apart today. Luckily, ball and needle
                  bearings seem okay. With any luck, I’ll be able to source new seals.

                  P.S. seal is .500 shaft, .843 O.D.

                  D.S. seal is .472 shaft, and seems to be, 1.000 O.D.
                  Oddly enough, I see a C.R. Seal listing for the .472 shaft size, but
                  not with a 1.000 O.D.

                  There’s a square O-ring on the water pump cartridge, I.D. 1.470,
                  O.D., 1.625+
                  Nothing in my “round” o-ring kit will work.

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                  #298025
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                    Geacase is a scaled down version of the gearcases used
                    on KE4/Mark 7, KE7,KF7,KG7 &
                    KG4, If you can understand one you can understand them all,
                    Gear case upper seal is 4990
                    and rear seak us 4923
                    I have noticed online vendors
                    either do not have common seals
                    or charge $$$ plus S&H
                    I once worked at an industrial supply house. They discouraged
                    retai customers as not worth
                    the time and trouble. DIY not
                    welcome! KF5 and Mark 5 gearcases ware easily damaged
                    in area of water pump cover threads…difficult to repair as it requires aluminum welding to build up metal and
                    precision machining to face
                    and thread… only done on
                    free to a good home motors,
                    and only if all else is well,
                    Opinion with no cash value
                    Louis
                    Manuals help with understandi
                    but,the doing is not in any
                    book,

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                      Louis, I have worked on a Mercury Mark 5 & 6, but it’s been several years.
                      A Wizard 12 more recently, also very interesting to work on.
                      I sized up the P.S. seal, and it was .500 shaft x .843 O.D.
                      I found a listing for that size, and ordered one.

                      However, on the Drive Shaft, I measured that to be .472 at the seal area
                      (less above the seal area) x 1.000 O.D.
                      I did “not” find a listing for this size.
                      _____ Poole has some seals listed, but they all say N.O.S.
                      Not sure I want to put in a 40 or 50 yr. old seal.

                      Do you have a part number for something that will work for
                      the pump cartridge “square” o-ring? The I.D. of the seal,
                      as measured on the cartridge shoulder, is 1. 470.
                      I found nothing in my O-ring kit that would work.

                      For now, I put the gearcase back together, as the seals in it,
                      and even the water pump impeller, look to be in great shape.
                      If I get it running good, and if I can gather all the seals,
                      I will revisit the gearcase.

                      This 1949 motor lower unit is fully jeweled.
                      Did it originally require 90 wt. lube or grease?

                      Thanks!

                      I decided that I could make the same tool I used for pulling
                      the pump cartridge for turning the gearcase cover.

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                        The driveshaft seal Mercury Part Number is 26-21670 which crosses to 4990 commercial code
                        The seal pressed into water pump cartridge is 26-22058 which crosses to 4923 commercia number
                        The square O ring is Part Number 12-22776 for which I have no cross to commercial number. It may or may not be
                        a special or no longer current
                        I have some used parts and even a couple NOS water pump
                        cartridges.
                        Rule of thumb is direct drive
                        motors use grease and shift motrs use oil… with exceptions. I have been told
                        that some will use grease instead of oil if shaft seals
                        are worn out or if shaft is rusted or groove and even a new seal will soon
                        or water.
                        I have a KF3 gear case assembly job sitting on bench,
                        Need to press the $$$ needle bearing out of damaged case and press the into a KF5 case
                        (same except water intake slits) Changinng cases cases may mean shim swaping to adjust gear lash,
                        I have been sitting on this for some time. Last of old style powerhead mated to first
                        of the fulley jeweled lower
                        units. A $50 bargain that was
                        completely worn out.
                        Louis

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