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    Hi all,

    New here. Working on a partial restoration of a 1950 Kiekhaefer-Mercury Rocket KE-4. Im looking for piston rings and found a listing on eBay selling ones by lovell marine. He says they are for KE4, MK7 and Merc 110 in the listing, but I don’t know how he knows that.

    I believe the original OEM part number was 39-21665 but I am unsure how to tell what the correct Lovell-Marine aftermarket part number is. Just want to ensure proper fitment before I purchase. Does anyone have a cross reference book, or experience with this? Any help is appreciated!

    Also, is there a search function for the ask a member forum? I didn’t see one, at least on mobile.

    Thank you!

    #299677
    Waunnaboat
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      There is no search function in the ask a member forum, but if you are a member (not sure if “offline” means a member or not), then you can go to the “active member forum” bar when you hover over “members only” on the top of the screen.  There is a search bar there, but not under the plain “ask a member” forum page, which can also be accessed via the members only forum page.  I could not find the piston ring set you speak of, but all of those motors are a similar size to my knowledge, and possibly have the same bore.  Don’t bother replacing the piston rings unless they are bad enough that the motor cannot function.  If you do replace them, this forum may be helpful.  I also linked piston rings from a site that is named “oldmercs”, which I assume is owned or operated by one of the members here, and probably has enough knowledge about these things in addition to the fact that the part numbers match up.

      https://www.aomci.org/forums/topic/mercury-ke4-piston-ring/

      https://jetes-wgurh.volusion.store/product_p/39-21665.htm

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      #299687

      Thanks for the help! I had a piston ring break and am looking to replace it. Hard to find. That site you linked is great, but unfortunately they are out of stock. These lovell marines are the closest I’ve come that don’t cost an arm and a leg.  https://www.ebay.com/itm/388852368741

      I was going to do a light deglazing with some maroon very fine scotchbrite and put the new ring on. Since this comes with 6, (3 per piston) I figured I’d do all 6, — or at least 3 — so they can seat together. I don’t really want to get into honing, and checking ring gap and if the cylinder is out if round. I don’t think there’s much I could do about that anyway if that was the case.

       

      #299688
      Tubs
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        Otto gas engine works. Order rings by size.   https://www.enginads.com/otto/

        A "Boathouse Repair" is one thats done without having tools or the skills to do it properly.

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        #299705
        green-thumbs
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          Piston ring part # 39-21665 application…All 1941 thru
          Mark 7 modes with 2 inch bore
          (1940 models use 2 wide rings)
          Some later Merc use same rings,
          If seller says ther rings will work, ask if he will take them
          back if they do not,
          With new rings you need to check end gap with ring in the cylinder it is to be used in,
          Rule of thumb is 0.004 per inch of cylinder bore… better too loose than too tight.
          If you order rings from OTTO
          Gas Engine you have to measure
          piston for ring size.
          Cast iron rings will flex a bit and break if flexed to far. Been there done that.
          Good Luck

          Clamp ring between 2 thin boards in vise with just ends
          exposed when using file to limit flexing/breakage,
          Check end gap of ring at several points in cylinder bore to check wear. You can
          calculate amount of wear using
          difference between unworn bottom of cylinder by comparing end gaps and
          math formulae for circumfrance
          of circle. My exjperience has
          been cylinders wear is least
          at top and bottom and most in
          area in between,
          Cylinders often have a glaze
          A light hone may help new rings
          If cylinder bore is pitted as often happens when piston rings rusted stuck, find a
          better cylinder. Do the same
          for badly worn cylinder.
          It is best to remove rings before removing a piston and
          installing rings after piston
          is installed on rod to avoid
          crushing anti rotating pins
          or breaking a ring,
          Been there and done that also

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          #299710
          labrador-guy
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            Green thumbs, like usual is right on!   Also if you order rings from Otto make sure they have the relief cut that makes room for the locating pins in the piston ring groves.

            dale

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            #299719
            jeff-register
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              I’ll second that  Louis has the correct facts (Green Thumbs). Dave Bernard is also very experienced too. We are good friends & he taught me how to build a Mercury. Welcome to our club & Please when you get the new rings save the broken ones & use the factory end to clean the piston ring groove. Lightly drag in the groove to clean any carbon, it’s a perfect fit!

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              #299732

              Thank you all! Very helpful!

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