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    Stewart Mayer
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      Hi, I’m working with the students who you might see posting on here, I have 16 students fixing up 8 motors… Thank you AOMCI admins for setting us up!

      We have a 1947 HD25 and had spark from one plug but not another.  We took out the coils to put a meter on them, and compare them, to see if we can find any differences and try to locate the problem.  Attached is a photo.  I have some experience, but not a lot, so we could use some advice.

      In the photo, I assume C/D are the primary coil, and A/B is the secondary.  On both coils, C/D reads about 1 ohm, so it has continuity.  But I can’t get any reading from A/B on either coil.  Is this normal? I’ve tried two digital ohm meters, but I’ve read an old analog meter might be best.

      Thank you!

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      Stewart Mayer
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        I’ve got a follow up question, I’ve read some posts that say to use solid instead of stranded spark plug wire.  It seems to me, because the wires have to move with the mag plate, stranded would be better.  Thoughts?  Does it make any difference?

        #312268
        seakaye12
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          Hi Stewart and Hi to the “Other 16”!

          Welcome!    I hope all 16 of you post about what you are working on….and I hope you include pictures!  We love pictures!

          Solid wire?  Hmmmm….I’ve never heard that.  I always use the typical 7mm copper stranded wire.  Lets see what others have to say.

          Have you come across this resource yet?
          http://www.pochefamily.org/outboard/Coils.htm

          Chuck

          #312281
          JACQUES
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            solid may eventually break from flexing which is why strand 7mm wire is preferred  and in any event would not cause a problem.

             

            Copper is preferred  as a metal because if flexes better .. conductivity wise  well imho any  metallic wire with 0 ohms is 0 ohms .  I have used Belden automotive universal  metalic  wire kits  (never carbon high res.) with boots when it was cheap…. Today  well it is not cheap anymore  !

             

            some your local bike or mower shop can sell you a few   feet

            Joining AOMCI has priviledges 🙂

            #312290
            green-thumbs
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              Tractor Supply sells ignition wire sets with spark plug boot nolded to end of wire,, If theres is enough roomfor the boot it is cost effective as there are 6 wires with molded goots in set plus some extr wire and etc, The wire does not know if it is on a farm tractor or an outboard. Absolutely correct wire for either application,

              Sourcing repair material for old outboard is sometives much easier than you might imagine,

              Good Luck

              Louis
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              #312292
              Tubs
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                  You want to be very careful with the wiring on this coil as the solder connection at the coil can become loose. There is no available coil that will fit to use as a substitute.   

                A "Boathouse Repair" is one thats done without having tools or the skills to do it properly.

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                JOSEPH BRINCAT
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                  In the hope of clairification .. your first post about spark plug wire.  There are two kinds of SP wire, wire core and carbon core  resistance “wire”.   Use wire core for our outboard motors never resistance type… and the wire core is always multi strand copper.Never heard of solid wire core SP wire.

                  Ref Tubs photos… resistance across the primary winding should be about 1 ohm , like you found.  The secondary winding being composed of thousands of turns of very fine wire will give a high resistance reading, typically in the range of 6,000 to 75oo ohms. If you are seeing no continuity  ( “open”)  that indicates that there is a break somewhere in that fine wire. and the coil is bad. Now, I have seen situations where a coil shows “open” but yet produces a spark. What’s happening in such a case is that the high voltage is jumping that gap in the wire within the coil winding.  Such a coil will produce a spark for a while but will eventually fail… like when you are out in the middle of the lake.

                  Joe B

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                  #313208
                  Stewart Mayer
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                    That is a great resource, thanks!  We have two motors (HD25 and QD11) with those old style points, we will go through the test procedures.  Thanks again!

                    #313209
                    Stewart Mayer
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                      I think you are completely right, that would explain why we got intermittent spark from one coil, but can’t get a reading on the secondary coil.  Thank you!  I’ll try to find some replacement coils.  If anyone has two replacement HD25 style coils for sale or donation, please let me know 🙂

                      I read here that you can’t swap the coils of a different part over the laminated plates, like you can on some, but I still ordered a few cheap lawnmower style ones of amazon that looked like they had potential, just to try. If we have success I’ll update the forum.

                      #313343
                      JOSEPH BRINCAT
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                        I’m surprised that Tubs said that there are no substitute coils for that motor. Several on here , including Tubs have done pretty remarkable coil substitutions.  No harm in trying, and maybe someone will chime in with a workable fix.  Keep us posted on progress.

                        Joe B

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