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    Honorcode


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    #218682

    Hi. Please let me know your top picks of a motor (model and year) that is both highly functional, and artisitc in its design. Please submit ideas that are within the era of WWII +/- a few years (1935 to 1950), This is not a request for the most rare or expensive motors, it is a request for notors that are “functional art”. Thank you.

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    Mumbles

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    #218686

    A ’38 or ’39 Johnson MS-38 or 39 would rank high in my book! A ’35 Evinrude Sportsman would be my next choice.

    MS-39

    MS-39.

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    Honorcode


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    #218732

    Thank you for the reply. A MS-38? I never heard of them until now. I did some research and most of the pictures do not have a spark plug cover, nor do they have a tube that connects the 2 tanks in the back. When it has those features, are they upgraded models? Is that a tube or a carry handle that connects the rear part of the tanks?

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    #218733

    You're only as smart as the person you're talking to.

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    Honorcode


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    #218740

    Hi Tubs, you raise an excellent point… I request your help in this area. It seems that the appearance of the motor is often the only thing that matters. These antique Motors are displayed for decoration. As soon as a restored motor is run, the polish is replaced with exhaust soot, water fills the cooling system and drips, oil leaks from the gaskets, and it has the smell of gasoline. No one wants this inside their house.

    Is it fair to say that many of the Antique motors do not need to be in running condition in order to be desired?

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    Buccaneer

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    #218742

    The Evinrude Imperial versions have a certain flare to them.
    Not mine……..

    1939-Evinrude-Lightfour

    Prepare to be boarded!

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    #218746

    Hi Tubs, you raise an excellent point… I request your help in this area. It seems that the appearance of the motor is often the only thing that matters. These antique Motors are displayed for decoration. As soon as a restored motor is run, the polish is replaced with exhaust soot, water fills the cooling system and drips, oil leaks from the gaskets, and it has the smell of gasoline. No one wants this inside their house.

    Is it fair to say that many of the Antique motors do not need to be in running condition in order to be desired?

    You're only as smart as the person you're talking to.

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    squierka39

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    #218820

    Honorcode, you asked about running or decorating. Most of us in the AOMCI run our motors, the highly polished decorator only motors are a much smaller segment of collecting. Many collectors who run a restored or polished up motor will clean it off after it’s been run.

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    Honorcode


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    #218822

    Thank you for the reply, Squierka39 and the rest of AOMC for replying. I asked this question because I am receiving replies to this stream with photos of these amazing motors in “better than new” condition. It seems that these are meant to be display peices given the effort and expense that it takes to restore them.

    My brother is dating a lady who owns a marina in Michigan (off Lake Michigan), and they got me interested in Antique motors. They are suggesting that I buy the following (she already owns most of these and they are in better-than-new condition. They are on display at her Marina and private home:

    * 1938 Clarke Troller (display only, not safe to use)
    * Elto Twin Cylinder Pre-WWII (suggest that I get one that is for display, possible investment motor)
    *1939 Johnson LT39 (historically significant, 1st aluminum block, other new technologies, parts are plentiful, rock-solid runner )
    * Caille (display only, no spare parts)
    * Elto 1 cyclinder pal or cub (these make excellent displays, but parts are plentiful, so also good runners.)
    * Neptune (running motor, parts are plentiful)
    *1930 – 1940ish Water witch any model (display only, no parts, possible investment motor)
    *1939 MS-39 (display, no spare parts).
    * Mercury Rocket 4 HP (display or running – parts are getting hard to find)
    * 1920ish Johnson 2 cylinder (display, parts are scarce, possible investment motor)
    * Anything called a rowboat motor (display only, parts are scarce. investment potential)

    Please understand that I can not afford to buy all of this, maybe 2 motors for display, and 1 motor for running. I already decided to buy the LT39 as it will be perfect for my canoe. If it were your money, what would you buy? What is the maximum price that you would pay for a fully restored motor vs a running motor that is cosmetically banged up?

    Thanks

    squierka39
    squierka39

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    #218889

    You should really buy the ones that interest you the most. I wouldn’t buy any with the idea of investment potential, they just aren’t going to go up that much. All the motors in the above list are good motors, depending on mechanical condition most of them could probably be made to run if desired. Don’t be to fooled by the shiny restos as better than new, they looked Pretty good when new too.
    As far as display and conversation piece, if affordable the Clarke troller would be good. Many members do run these, they shouldn’t be labeled unsafe.

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    Honorcode


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    #218906

    Thank you squierka39. I am enjoying this new hobby as I try to figure out what to do with my unplanned early retirement. But there are sharks in the water that want to take advantage of my ignorance. For the last three motors that I wanted to buy, all of the seller were not being honest with me. For example:

    1 – 1939 Johnson MS39 – There is one for sale on an auction / museum web site. It is a stunning green with chrome. I was tempted to buy it even though it is very expensive. In doing research, I learned that it is missing its spark plug aluminum cover. The advertisment states that the motor is complete, fully restored, and operational. When I contacted the dealer about the missing part, he said that it is being sold-as is, as pictured, and there is no warranty expressed. He made no apology for misrepresenting the motor as being complete.

    2 – There is a 1938 Clarke troller listed on e-bay. It has the spring starter, and a custom stand with a battery box. The price is steep, but it is advertised as “new” and the has a long description which makes them seem like they are an authority in this motor. A recently met a antique motor mechanic, he looked at the pictures and warned me not to buy it. He said that the starter pully is “fake”, it is a low-budget rebuild that is not probably not compatable with the spring starter. he also said that the tiller appears to be a home-made bolt-on item.

    My take away is that it is very hard to buy an antique motor over the internet.

    Thanks again for the reply.

    squierka39
    squierka39

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    #218942

    I suggest you join our club if you haven’t already and go to some of our meets. The club is full of friendly people more than willing to give you good advice. We also have swap meets and much better buys can be had thru members than Thur internet sites.

    Tubs
    Tubs

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    #218945

    You're only as smart as the person you're talking to.

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    reivertom

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    #218976

    You guys are cheating! Those motors didn’t look that good in the 1930s!

    Tubs
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    #218991

    You're only as smart as the person you're talking to.

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