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  • #10583
    crosbyman
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      Canada Member - 2 Years

      friend just picked up a long shaft 25hp electric start remote steering …

      any weird issues or qwirks to know about (assume compression ok, impeller to be changed and carb cleaning will be done )
      thanks

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      #79673
      PugetSoundBoater
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        I have a ’81 Johnson 25 tiller electric start I converted to longshaft and have had no issues at all. Ran it for well over 75 miles last summer with no problems.

        "Some people want to know how a watch works, others just want to know what time it is"
        Robbie Robertson

        #79676
        crosbyman
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          Canada Member - 2 Years

          thanks for comment

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          #79680
          jerry-ahrens
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            Those are good motors. I had a 1981 25 also… got it out of the garage of a partially burned house! It was so black from the fire, it took a major cleaning to see what color it was. I ran that thing for 15 years. Finally sold it as part of a package on a Jon boat. I seem to remember something about that particular model being a larger cu. inch displacement than others? I remember that motor was a screamer.

            #79681
            frankr
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              I have a 1984 35hp, basically the same thing, but with thru-prop exhaust. I bought it new in the box in 1984 and haven’t done a thing to it since, except a few impeller changes "just because". I consider it one of the best motors I’ve ever owned.

              Yes the 25 is a detuned version, with more cubic inches than the old 22 cu. in. motors. 25 has the well known split gearcase borrowed from the past.

              #79691
              fleetwin
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                US Member - 2 Years

                Yep, these are rugged, reliable, and easy to service…
                Is this a salt or fresh water engine?
                Don’t expect it to idle as nicely as an old 18hp, due to its funky recirculation system that prevents unburned fuel/oil from being dumped overboard like on older models. Nonetheless, it will idle all day without fouling plugs.

                #79719
                outbdnut2
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                  Dad bought the 1987 35 HP version of that motor new and we ran it on a pontoon boat until 2004. It was very dependable. It had two issues that I take as design flaws.

                  1. The starting primer function (taking the place of a choke) is an electric actuator that pumps gas into the carb throat when you push inward on the key. Once the motor starts cold, you often had to keep pushing the key in and out to keep on priming for a half minute or so to keep it running at first. I could fix this by adjusting the low speed carb jet richer, but then it was running too rich to idle right when warmed up. I’m not sure what year this priming pump was added.

                  2. Every 2-stroke outboard seems to have a speed range just above idle where it runs rough as it is transitioning from the low speed carb idle jet to the high speed jet. It is generally a very narrow throttle range. On this series of motors, this rough running speed range is way too wide, including the speed we wanted to loaf the pontoon around the lake at. Several people on this board have confirmed that this is definitely an issue with these motors. On most motors, you can simply increase or decrease throttle slightly to get smooth running at an acceptable speed just above idle – not on these – by the time you increase throttle to get smooth running, you are going way faster. I still see three pontoons on my lake with these motors coming by my dock and hear them running rough as I described. Now if your intended use does not much involve sitting at this speed range, the motor will be great. When it was new, we had it to two different shops under warrantee to correct this issue. One rebuilt the carb – no help, and said they couldn’t make it any better – the other shop said: "That’s the way it is."
                  Dave

                  #79723
                  fleetwin
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                    US Member - 2 Years
                    quote outbdnut2:

                    Dad bought the 1987 35 HP version of that motor new and we ran it on a pontoon boat until 2004. It was very dependable. It had two issues that I take as design flaws.

                    1. The starting primer function (taking the place of a choke) is an electric actuator that pumps gas into the carb throat when you push inward on the key. Once the motor starts cold, you often had to keep pushing the key in and out to keep on priming for a half minute or so to keep it running at first. I could fix this by adjusting the low speed carb jet richer, but then it was running too rich to idle right when warmed up. I’m not sure what year this priming pump was added.

                    2. Every 2-stroke outboard seems to have a speed range just above idle where it runs rough as it is transitioning from the low speed carb idle jet to the high speed jet. It is generally a very narrow throttle range. On this series of motors, this rough running speed range is way too wide, including the speed we wanted to loaf the pontoon around the lake at. Several people on this board have confirmed that this is definitely an issue with these motors. On most motors, you can simply increase or decrease throttle slightly to get smooth running at an acceptable speed just above idle – not on these – by the time you increase throttle to get smooth running, you are going way faster. I still see three pontoons on my lake with these motors coming by my dock and hear them running rough as I described. Now if your intended use does not much involve sitting at this speed range, the motor will be great. When it was new, we had it to two different shops under warrantee to correct this issue. One rebuilt the carb – no help, and said they couldn’t make it any better – the other shop said: "That’s the way it is."
                    Dave

                    Very accurate criticisms indeed. That stupid electric primer is not easy to operate/understand…People don’t realize that the electric primer is NOT a pump, simply an electric valve. So, if you do not build up fuel pressure first by pumping the fuel bulb, a cold engine will be hard to start.
                    And yes, you usually had to "tickle" the primer after intial start, which is tricky to do with the key switch. But, the other fault is that these engines are extremely "cold blooded" and require a good deal of warm up before they will run acceptably, just like you say.
                    The idle and mid range running quality on these engines has never been good. I blame this on the stupid recirculation system that seems to favor one cylinder, making them impossible to dial in a good/smooth idle without an occasional sneeze, you have to leave em a bit rich.
                    This condition is only amplified when used on pontoon boats where low to mid RPMs are where the engine is mostly used. You could try to alter cam pick up a bit, perhaps a different pitch prop, but this usually only just moves the rough spot to a slightly different RPM…
                    So, in this case, the OMC tech was giving you "the straight scoop".

                    #79725
                    frankr
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                      I agree with #1. I never did see why the primer was supposed to be any better than a good ol’ choke. What I don’t agree with is the notion that the issue is confined to that series of motors. It is common to most OMC motors of the era. Ever since they did away with the automatic warm-up choke.

                      #2, I have never had that experience with my 35. Due to the no-wake / idle speed only limits on a lot of places I boat, I do a lot of off-idle running.
                      Runs fine for me. I do find the thermostat with pressure relief system to be a joke. Can’t tell, but I suspect the ‘stat never does open. It runs way cooler than advertised. I have to richen the slow speed needle a tad to run in cold weather. Yes, even in Florida. I imagine that could be an issue for you guys up north running in ice water.

                      #79736
                      fleetwin
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                        US Member - 2 Years

                        Yes, the primer complaints apply to all the engines…Most of the OMCs are/were cold blooded, so it takes a lot of tickling to get the thing warmed up…Unfortunately, most owners just raise the warm up lever and let the thing scream in an effort to warm up…The electric choke does seem a whole lot easier for owners to understand and use for sure…Maybe the electric primer was a "cost savings".
                        The pressure relief thermostat system works pretty well, but dirt/debris can get caught under the thermostat resulting in a cool running engine at lower speeds. And lord knows, you sure don’t want to have to do this job on the 32CI engines where the whole head cover has to be removed. In later years, even this got "over engineered" with all sorts of springs, cups and diaphragms.
                        Frank, your is a 1984 35hp, correct? I always liked the 1984 Johnson grey color and graphics, guess I am in the minority here….Always thought they ran better also! Yours had the simpler carb meant soley for these engines with just the one needle valve. In later years, in an effort to simplify parts usage, they started using the crazy carbs with the intermediate air bleeds and adjustable low speed needle (same style as the larger two/three cylinder models) on the 32CI engines.
                        And, like on the larger engines, if the recirc system isn’t working properly, I’m sure fuel/oil will puddle in the lower cylinder aggravating this condition…

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