Home Forum Ask A Member 9.9/15HP T-stat gasket PN? Not on M.E.

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  • #72897
    dan-in-tn
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      Here is just another example of why you are confused? This is an original 1974 cylinder head that was updated & should have been discarded after the dealer was paid to kit the engine. Notice it has no Dam in front of the spark plug holes in the combustion chamber.

      https://www.ebay.com/itm/9-9-15-HP-Evin … pz&vxp=mtr

      Plenty of those gaskets listed on eBay, but not at great prices after you consider shipping. I see other cylinder heads are showing up #320495. Didn’t look at all of them, but you get the idea why recycling some obsolete parts gets to be a problem.

      Dan in TN

      #72898
      johnyrude200
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        Russ I overlayed the 318917 gasket on top of the one pictured on the left, they are not the same. They are close but the bottom edge going around the t-stat ‘buldge’ doesnt line up and leaves only a very small, say 1/8-1/16” seal. Plus the bottom part of that updated gasket which accounts for the newer cover hole is protruding out the side of the older 8-hole cover.

        Fortunately I located an ebay listing with the 329920 PN, but its for the older style gaskets Im looking for that fit properly. The seller probably doesnt even know they are the wrong ones according to the newer style gasket.

        #72904
        outbdnut2
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          Sorry – I had typo in my post yesterday in this string where I talked about Sierra numbers – the 1st paragraph refers to the gasket on the left in the photo, not the right – I have corrected the post.
          Dave

          #72907
          fleetwin
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            Gotta admit, am confused again….The original style thermostat gasket IS available at ME:
            http://www.marineengine.com/parts/johns … +Crankcase

            There is room for plenty of confusion here, and I’m not sure just what Joel is describing, so will review the usage on the three gaskets.
            The original gasket: 318917 is used on 74-76 engines that never had the cylinder head update. The key here is to be able to identify these cylinder heads when you see them…Like Dan says, the early heads/covers are not "scalloped out" by the spark plugs. Needless to say, these pieces must be used as a set. In other words, you can not mix and match old heads/covers/gaskets. It surely is possible that some folks have had the old heads/covers laying around after doing all the updates on these engines years ago, so it is possible that older style heads/covers/gaskets got installed on newer engines. an example of this might be a newer engine having a head replaced due to stripped plug threads or broken water cover studs in the head. Although this is surely an error, it could be done, and I’m sure it has been done. I can see repair shops using older pieces laying around the shop instead of ordering new/correct parts.
            The next generation of cylinder heads/covers used gasket:321387 (yes, I do realize this gasket supercedes to the newer gasket: 329920, more on this in a bit) This generation of head/cover/gasket was used until the mid 80s. Changes were made when the relief spring was added on top of the thermostat, but this did not change the gasket design/part number. This gasket was also used on the original 74-76 engines with the updated cylinder head/water cover.
            So, what changes were made that required the new gasket: 329920? The port/bottom side of the water cover was prone to external leakage, especially during servicing. The cover was subject to warpage/distortion during servicing, and there was no retaining bolt holding this area of the water cover securely to the head.
            So, in the mid 80s, another change was made to the head/cover/gasket that added another bolt in the port/bottom area of the cover to help minimize external water leakage in this area. Needless to say, these pieces (head/cover/gasket) were unique as well and could not be mixed/matched with different style pieces. This generation of pieces requires the new gasket: 329920.
            I guess the next question would be: why does the second generation gasket (321387) legitimately supercede to the newest style: (329920)?
            The only difference between these two gaskets is the added gasket material and hole for the extra retaining bolt. So, yes, when you use the newest gasket on the second generation heads/covers, there is a piece of the gasket hanging out of the bottom/port side of the cover with the hole in it for the extra bolt. The new gasket will work fine in these situations, because there is gasket material sealing the surfaces of the head and cover in this area. Yes, it looks wrong/screwed up, but you can simply trim the little bit of gasket off after reassembling the head and cover.
            Again, you can not "reverse supercede" parts, just like always. Dealers love to cross out original part numbers on NOS OEM parts, and write in the newest part number. This is a mistake and should never be done. Let’s just say the dealer had a bunch of the second generation gaskets: 321387. He noticed the part number change and wrote part number: 329920 on this envelope with five of the second generation gaskets he already had in stock. Now, let’s say someone with a late 1985 engine came in for a new thermostat. Mistakenly using a gasket from his envelope of "dealer superceded" gaskets would cause a possible leaky water cover because there was no gasket between the head/cover in the bottom/port area.
            Needless to say, the same thing could have happened to a newer engine that I described earlier with second generation engines. Perhaps someone brought in a 1985 engine that needed a new cylinder head. Instead of ordering the "correct" head, the dealer decides to use/save money by using a used head off a 1981 engine that was blown up. In this case, future repairs might get confusing because water covers/gaskets are not going to fit properly.
            Needless to say, there were other changes made to these heads in later years, but these pieces are easy to identify/not so easy to mix up.
            Joel, once again, not sure if I am answering your question, hope so….The key here is to be able to identify these parts by looking at them, to avoid confusion.

            #72922
            fleetwin
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              OK, Dan pointed out that I said everything but answer the question posted…
              So
              The gasket on the left, which is the second generation design is: 321387
              The gasket in the middle, which is the third generation design: 329920
              The gasket on the right, which is the first generation (74-76 models) is: 318917
              Again, the 321387 supercedes to the newer gasket: 329920 You can simply trim the little bit of gasket with the extra hole in it back after reassembling the thermostat cover if you like. The main problem on these second generation head/covers is that the lower/port side of the cover is not supported/clamped very well and is subject to leakage, especially after removing/cleaning/resurfacing the parts during thermostat replacement….D

              #72944
              billw
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                We used to use the middle gasket in place of the left gasket all the time. Like you, we were confused at first; but there was really no other way out. If the surfaces are true and you use a thin coating of perfect seal, there really shouldn’t be a problem. We never had one. Like Fleetwin says, if you just trim off that extra hole on the bottom right, it is then really the same gasket. If it leaks, it’s because someone wasn’t careful cleaning it up or the motor over heated and the parts warped. (I mean, not to say that 9.9s and 15s over heat much, but…..Lol. In salt water, what one has NOT overheated?) If you keep using the old heads, you invite a leak at the bottom from the old design, without that extra bolt. No doubt that’s why they changed that part of the head design….

                As for the Sierra 18-2905-9, I could have sworn that the dash nine just meant it was the same gasket sold in a bulk quantity, like five or ten of them, or something. Correct me if I am wrong about that….

                Long live American manufacturing!

                #73521
                johnyrude200
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                  So I received a batch of the NOS gaskets I was referring too before, the 8 hole t-stat cover gaskets. When I overlay this on top of the newer 9-hole covers, you can see where there are some inconsistencies to the cuts and how things line up.

                  This is what I was referring to in terms of leakage. Keep in mind the newer gaskets have some ‘play’ in the way they seat too, but no matter how you line them up there is less ‘meat’ in a couple of spots and I have observed leaking on the side and the bottom of these covers.

                  It should be noted too that the newer gaskets are not as thick, so even if the surfaces are flat (forget warped), they are more likely to leak because when you squash them down with the normal tightening of those cover screws they don’t ‘take up’ the sealing surfaces as well.

                  If you look at the close up picture, the bottom area may be difficult to see but there is a difference. The holes don’t line up the same either. They are off on a few orifices and you end up wallowing them out when you put the screws in.

                  Fleetwin and T2stroke were kind enough to hunt down the OEM PN to be 321387 FYI.


                  #73557
                  donsmarine
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                    what do you use for gasket sealant?

                    #73558
                    johnyrude200
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                      OMC gasket sealing compound. Or blue instant gasket in other applications, not on water jackets due to the potential for fouling orifices.

                      #73559
                      fleetwin
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                        Joel
                        I’m not seeing/understanding what you are trying to point out…
                        Just trim off the excess gasket intended for the latest style head. I guess if you left the excess gasket in place it could snag on something and perhaps get pulled out.
                        I have experienced leakage in this area also, even with the original gasket. It is tough to get these mating surfaces true, so I have been using the OMC typeM cement that will better handle these imperfections….

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