Elto Rudder Twin Starting Help needed.

[huntleybill]

Just put back together my Elto Rudder Twin Model C. I put it in the tank and tried to start it. I got it to fire a couple of times but could not get it to run. What I don’t know how to do is set it up to start it. Never worked with a metering valve before. Don’t know where to set the spark advance/retard etc. Does that exhaust thing need to be open or closed (don’t even know what that is for anyway)

So far, I have put a new coil in it and have good spark. I put new plugs in it. New plug wires. I have a new 6 volt battery and new wiring. I rock the flywheel back and forth a few times to "prime" the motor. Sometimes it fires, most of the time not. Once I got it to fire 3 times in a row!!! WOW, I thought it was going to run for a fleeting moment!

So please, tell me how to set it up and adjust everything to get this running. Would be so cool to see it go!
Thank you for your time.
Bill

[The Boat House]

First charge the battery so you know its fully charged.
A fully charged battery will be around 6.4 volts. Once
they get below 5.8 volts they don’t want to run. They
will pop but wont take off.
Notice the position of the timer in my video.
Mixture screw should be open about 1-1/4 turns to start.
If its not doing anything close the mixture screw all
the way and try to start it. If it starts and cleans it
self out the mixture was open too far. If after 6 try’s
if it doesn’t do anything open the mixture screw a
1/4 more than before. If the motor is firing often
but wont run, advance the timer (counter clockwise
toward 6:00 O’clock) a little more. The closer the
timer is to 6:00 O’clock the farther you have to pull
the flywheel back to get the points to snap. Where
a glove till you learn how to start this thing or you’ll
wear the knuckle on you thumb raw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nndBimly_NE

[huntleybill]

Thank you Mr. Tubs
My Carb/mertering valve is a little different than yours. I have attached a picture. Does that change the adjustment procedure any?
The video helped a LOT, thank you for that. I had the advance WAY off!

[RICHARD A. WHITE]

Nope…..Trust Tubs on these…he is a Pro
Mine is serial number 23336 and has the same carb, You may find you have to run at a different setting than others as each motor might act differently

http://www.richardsoutboardtools.com
classicomctools@gmail.com

[The Boat House]

One turn out is a good place to start.
If your not getting anywhere or it was firing and then
your not getting anything. Close the mixture screw and
try to start it. If it does the mixture screw was open
too far. (flooded) If it just pops a time or two and then
does nothing you need to open the mixture screw another
1/4 turn. It will be easier to start it out of the water
as they don’t pump water anyway so it wont make any
difference if the exhaust valve is open or closed. When
you get it on a boat you’ll want to open the exhaust
valve when starting. The purpose of the exhaust valve
is to let air into the motor to start it. Air cant get in
if it doesn’t have a way out.

Richard was my best student!!!!

[huntleybill]

OK…Got it to run. Was a lot of work and my arm/shoulder is killing me. I finally got smart and used my big drill to start it. Yrs, that is the socket that got stuck on it. Now, do you happen to have a gas cap and a flywheel nut? I just need one of each to finish off thee motor after I re-paint it.

Video: https://youtu.be/QnhttoYwnW4

[chinewalker]

I would not use a socket on that motor for starting! Good way to split the flywheel hub due to over tightening of the nut! Learn your motor’s proper starting procedure and it will indeed "start with a quarter turn". I’m typically a Merc guy, but I do have a soft spot for my battery ignition Eltos.

[The Boat House]

quote Chinewalker:

I would not use a socket on that motor for starting! Good way to split the flywheel hub due to over tightening of the nut!

[squierka39]

This electric drill starting is becoming a trend that I’m not sure is such a good idea. If it’s not starting easily the correct way something is wrong, either with the motor or the procedure. I don’t see this as a good idea for any antique motor.

[huntleybill]

Rest assured, I have no intention of making the drill a habit. Being my first Elto, I tried to start this motor for an hour before I used the drill. I could not get it to stay running so the drill made things go faster and save my shoulder. Once I got it to run, and adjusted a little better, I’m hoping I won’t need the drill. I made sure that I backed up the flywheel so I had plenty of room before I hit the compression stroke. When I find a nut and gas cap, I’d like to run this one on the lake. Should be fun!!!

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