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  • #10889
    Buccaneer
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      First start on this motor since I got it. I did not tear into the power head,
      but did install new o-rings in the carbon seals, and went through all
      the other components on the motor.
      The RD owner’s manual say initial carb adjustments…..
      High Speed 1/3 turn open
      Low Speed 1-1/4 turn open

      I got the motor to fire right away, but had a "lean sneeze"
      and wouldn’t run more than a couple of seconds.
      I tried different carb adjustments, etc.
      My mercury switch had the wire "off" when I got it.
      I band-aided a new wire to it, but even when
      testing on the bench with the VOM it was "iffy".
      I thought I had the mercury switch adjusted on the motor
      using the VOM so the switch would be "closed" when the throttle was in the
      "start" position. In real life, the switch would open just before
      the throttle would start to open, not allowing me to crank the engine.
      I by-passed the mercury switch, got the throttle to open a little, and got it started long enough
      to take a short video. Didn’t realize until later that I had the
      choke half on the whole time.
      I tried restarting it a couple hours later, and could not keep
      it running, and it kept lean sneezing / farting! Tried different
      carb adjustments, choke settings, etc.

      Perhaps if I had it on a boat and could get it running, tunning
      would be much easier! Alas, my little AL Alumacraft said "No Way"
      to that thought.
      In the mean time, until I find a boat big enough for a 25 hp to
      beg, borrow or steal, any suggestions? I’d like to know if it’s
      just the carb settings or something more ominous, before it
      hits the lake, and know that it will actually start when it gets there!
      P.S.- Is finding a 60 year old replacement mercury switch still the
      best option to replace the old one?
      The video…….
      https://youtu.be/bO8_g74k_B0
      Thanks !

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      #81387
      outboardnut
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        On my RDE 17 the mercury switch wire was repaired with speaker wire.
        I really don’t like that idea so I am taking the mercury switch from my RDS 20 parts motor.
        The RDS 20 has two mercury switches but one of them is on the correct angle

        #81393
        chris-p
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          Are you sure its a lean sneeze and not a misfire (ignition)

          Run at night, any arcing?

          Hopefully it is not running lean due to leaking crank case halves.

          #81395
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            Someone mentioned once, on some forum, about trying to use
            an old thermostat mercury switch. Not sure if there’s be a way
            to mount them, etc. Cant’ imagine the wire attached to it
            would be heavy enough.

            I didn’t have the crankcase apart, but that’s not saying it couldn’t be leaking.
            The magneto has new wires, etc., and was bench tested on the Stevens tester.
            Can’t imagine it’s arching. I’m hoping it’s just the carb way "out of whack".
            Will experiment more tomorrow.
            Thanks.

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            #81396
            fisherman6
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              It seems that my RDE-16 has the high speed needle open closer to 1/2 turn or a little more. Do you kniw if your carb has the boss gasket in it or not? It could be that the 1/3 turn could be the setting without a boss gasket and your carb has one in place? I don’t know. I have been into only 2 of these carbs. Neither of those had a boss gasket when I took them apart, but I put one back into both of them. With that gasket in the carb, both of the carbs are between 1/2 & 3/4 turn out for best running. Not having it in there certainly allows more fuel into the high speed circuit at the same needle setting.
              -Ben

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              #81405
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                Ben, it was June 28th when I had the carb apart. No photographic evidence of
                the boss gasket, but pretty sure I made a new leather one, or borrowed one
                from an open carb kit.
                Interesting enough, I just looked at the carb diagram, and I can’t for the life
                of me see a "boss gasket".
                Did they not put them on some model carbs? Could I have an issue installing
                a boss gasket if there isn’t suppose to be one?
                Refresh my memory please…….. Is the carb’s low speed circuit fed
                through (and shared with the high speed circuit) the center nozzle,
                or through a passage in the carb bowl?
                Thanks for the help!

                quote Fisherman6:

                It seems that my RDE-16 has the high speed needle open closer to 1/2 turn or a little more. Do you kniw if your carb has the boss gasket in it or not? It could be that the 1/3 turn could be the setting without a boss gasket and your carb has one in place? I don’t know. I have been into only 2 of these carbs. Neither of those had a boss gasket when I took them apart, but I put one back into both of them. With that gasket in the carb, both of the carbs are between 1/2 & 3/4 turn out for best running. Not having it in there certainly allows more fuel into the high speed circuit at the same needle setting.
                -Ben


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                #81406
                opposedtwin
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                  It fits on the bottom of the "fuel nozzle", #74. It’s not pictured in any of the parts catalogues until about ’60 or ’61 for the RD models. In most I have torn apart, there is installed a leather looking ring that is usually tattered and frayed pretty good. NOS ones are impossible to find. I put an o-ring on there, though I can’t remember who recommended it-maybe Frank or another knowledgeable source. I ordered a bag of 50 from mcmaster-carr. I’ll track them down and get you the number. Could send you a few if you like.

                  #81407
                  opposedtwin
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                    Buc, here’s a pic of the gasket Ben is talking about. #59 in this catalog for a 1958 FD-12 (18hp). Hope you can make it out.


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                    #81411
                    opposedtwin
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                      Top is a NOS gasket for jw-fd models. All the previous numbers superseded to #344037. It has square edges.

                      Bottom is the one I got from mcmaster-carr. "70 BUNA size 201"

                      Will gladly mail a few to whoever may need some. I have about 92 left! 😆

                      Scott


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                      #81413
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                        Scott, I’m aware of OMC carbs and the nozzle / boss gasket, and pretty
                        sure I put one in. Seeing how my parts manual does not show one,
                        I’m wondering if I could have caused any kind of fuel restriction, and
                        if it would effect the low speed circuit, and "starting" of the motor.
                        I have a bunch of the fat O-rings from McMaster 1/2" OD, 1/4" ID, that
                        I bought for shift rod seals, that are too small. Maybe they would work
                        for boss gaskets.
                        Haven’t got around to the RDE this morning. Working on a shelf to store
                        outboard parts / junk and trying to get the boat and couple of motors
                        ready for my son and I to try out this afternoon!

                        quote opposedtwin:

                        Buc, here’s a pic of the gasket Ben is talking about. #59 in this catalog for a 1958 FD-12 (18hp). Hope you can make it out.

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