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  • Buccaneer
    Buccaneer

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    #218788

    I tore apart the subject powerhead today. This is from the Franken motor
    with the 1926 Elto Ruddertwin lower unit.
    The stovebolt screw that’s “staked in” the crankcase behind the carb flange
    seems odd. Is this original? The only thing the screw is doing is plugging the hole.

    Powerhead is in fair shape, cylinders okay, etc. The piston wrist pins seem just
    a tad loose in the rods though.

    What possible lower units would this powerhead fit on?
    I may put it back on the ruddertwin lower, but not sure “rope steer” on an 11 hp
    motor would be fun, lol.

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    #218800

    You're only as smart as the person you're talking to.

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    eltoquad

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    #218805

    I’ve always wondered is the Super A actually an 11 H.P. motor. I’ve always considered it more of around 8 H.P. even thought the “Old Outboarder Book” lists it at 11.

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    #218807

    I’ve always wondered is the Super A actually an 11 H.P. motor. I’ve always considered it more of around 8 H.P. even thought the “Old Outboarder Book” lists it at 11.

    I wondered the same thing just by looking at the bore size…….. sure doesn’t
    seem like enough cubic inches to be 11 hp.

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    #218808

    Tubs, thanks for the info and photos. I was just looking at my inventory list,
    and the closest “cousin” to the Elto Super A I see is a 1932 Johnson K-50, 8 hp.
    For kicks, I’ll look at that power head to L.U. base.

    I already compared the 1930 Elto Sr. Speedster’s lower unit, and it’s a lot different
    in design, etc., and not even a close match to bolting up.

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    #218811

    I’ve always wondered is the Super A actually an 11 H.P. motor. I’ve always considered it more of around 8 H.P. even thought the “Old Outboarder Book” lists it at 11.

    You're only as smart as the person you're talking to.

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    squierka39
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    #218816

    It’s not going to fit the Johnson K tower without modifications. here’s a KD tower, basically the same as the K-50.
    Why not clean it all up and put it back in the ruddertwin tower while searching for the correct super A tower? It actually looks pretty cool the way it is. Some speedsters came with a rudder, can’t be that hard to control.
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    #218833

    Michael, thanks for clearing up the K-50 thoughts….. I’ve been
    busy all morning repairing and cleaning bolts and nuts
    and cleaning the Super A cylinders, that I forgot to look!
    I probably will put the A powerhead back on the rudder twin lower,
    just was wondering if I had options.

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    lyks2tinkr

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    #218857

    The Super A was basically a battery fired 30s fleetwin rated at about 8.5hp. The leg and lower for those 30s fleetwin type motors shouldn’t be a scarce commodity.
    I 2nd the suggestion of putting i back on the RT leg. It was a cool looking mod.
    Its your motor have fun with it.

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    #218858

    The Super A was basically a battery fired 30s fleetwin rated at about 8.5hp. The leg and lower for those 30s fleetwin type motors shouldn’t be a scarce commodity.
    I 2nd the suggestion of putting i back on the RT leg. It was a cool looking mod.
    Its your motor have fun with it.

    Okay, you talked me into it! I’ll put the powerhead back on the rudder twin lower.
    Not something I’ll use much anyway, and it will be fun to see what happens,
    if I actually get it running, lol.
    May get the powerhead back together today, then I can check out the coil and carb.
    Hopefully the guts in the LU are okay.

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    pm-t2

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    #218864

    The Super S was rated at 11 HP for 1932 only.

    To provide a clearer answer on horsepower ratings – It was 1933 when the NOA rating system was put into place, and the Super A horsepower rating was lowered from 11 horsepower to a more believable 8 & 1/2 hp. The engine design did not change one bit.

    WRT lowered horsepower ratings, the Super A was not the only casualty, not by a long shot. In the Elto lineup alone, other examples of lowered HP ratings were the Super C (dropped from 25 hp to 21.2) Jr Quad (from 18 hp to 16.2) and Senior Quad (from 36 hp to 31.2).

    One other example, then I’ll shut up about it – the model 500 Sea King (a disguised Lockwood Chief) was rated @ 15 HP for 1931-32. Using the NOA system, it was dropped to a more accurate 11 HP rating, which is what it was when Lockwood was selling it from 1928-30.

    Best,
    PM T2

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    #218868

    Thanks for clearing up the horsepower ratings! 8-1/2 hp is a little more believable, but
    I’m guessing a 1950’s OMC 5 hp would kick butt?

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    lyks2tinkr

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    #218890

    The Fleetwins of that era are actually quite fast and all of their 8.5hp rating.

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