Home Forum Ask A Member 1951-54 Gale Buccaneer 5D10B 5 hp “Clutch”

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  • #253362
    Buccaneer
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      Before I took the subject motor apart, I tried the neutral clutch, and it
      did not release the lower driveshaft when the lever was lifted.

      Upon taking it apart, I notice the end of the clutch spring was too
      high for the dog to engage the spring. Upon further disassembly,
      and inspection, I was able to get the clutch spring down further on
      the drum, where the dog would engage it when the cable is pulled.

      While apart, I also noticed that the inner “shock spring” was sticking
      out of the top of the clutch sleeve about 3/8″.  I didn’t think that spring
      with an “open end” should be ridding on the water pump base housing
      and bronze bushing, so I compressed it back into the sleeve using
      the vise.

      I got to wondering why both springs “rode up” too high. After I compress
      the shock spring back in the sleeve flush, I notice that there would be about
      3/8″ inch gap between the top of the clutch sleeve, and the bottom of the
      water pump base housing bushing. If the driveshaft “rides up” that 3/8″
      along with the clutch assembly, then I don’t think the clutch dog would be
      able to engage the clutch spring.

      I started digging in the Johnson 10th Edition manual at the TN series
      with the neutral clutch, and they are showing a “retainer”, part #302309
      on the top side of the clutch sleeve.
      I’m not sure if the GALE and JOHNSON motors with the neutral clutch,
      of the same years, have all the same parts in the lower unit? Obviously,
      the top of the motors, and what activates the clutch cable are different.

      Anyway, I’m wondering if I’m actually missing the retainer, or if my
      Gale Buccaneer is designed a little different? Further to confuse the
      mater, the lower unit is “green”, making me wonder if it has a TN
      lower unit. That said, there’s hints of green all over this brown
      Buccaneer, like it was “camoflauged” at one time 🙁

      Also, I’m wondering if anyone has any photos of said retainer, and even
      better, measurements in case I decide to try to make one on the lathe.
      Marine Engine shows they have some in stock, but no photos of the part.

      If I’m missing this part “for sure”, then I may have a Johnson TN left
      that I can borrow some parts.

      Thanks.

      This photo is after I got the clutch spring back “down” and in place, but
      before I compressed the shock spring back into the sleeve. Is the spring
      suppose to be sticking out?
      DSCN2712

      5D10B-Neutral-Clutch-Retainer
      5D10B-Neutral-Clutch-Retainer2

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      #253373
      frankr
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        Gale 5D10

         

        Pg-18-Lower-Unit-Gearcase

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        #253376
        frankr
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          Most parts are the same.  Slightly different drive shaft diameter, thus different size parts that fit onto it (impeller).

          EDIT:  Sorry, that is in error.  Actually, the Drive shaft diameter is the same in 5D1o and TN models.  What I had i mind was the drive shaft diameters are different than the full shift 5.5 & 7.5 hp J/E.  Ream a 5.5/7.5 impeller to fit the 5D1o and TN shafts.

          #253379
          Buccaneer
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            Thanks for the diagrams Frank! I’m glad you mention the differences in the driveshafts,
            hence seals, etc., so I didn’t source any parts using TN numbers.

            I “think” I saved a TN for a future project, but I gave away quite
            a few derelict TD’s and some TN’s at Tomahawk just to make room.
            I’ll have to go a little search and rescue tomorrow and see if I can
            find the missing retainer. Suppose to “feel like” -38 below tomorrow morning
            with the wind chill, so I may wait until it only feels like -20 below!

             

             

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            #253420
            Buccaneer
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              I found a TN this morning, and luckily, it had the needed part
              that the Buccaneer was missing, i.e., the “retainer” that keeps
              the clutch and shock springs were they belong. The retainer
              didn’t want to come off of the sleeve, so I’m just going to
              swap the whole assembly.

              DSCN2726

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              #253435
              The Boat House
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                A friend of mine has one of these.. It was given to him and
                had obviously been neglected. He spent quite a bit of time
                learning about it and getting what he needed to see if it
                would run again. It finely did. The biggest challenge
                being getting the gas tank cleaned out because of its design.
                I didn’t know anything about them, He kept insisting I take
                it and run it sum. I finely weakened and put it on my boat.
                What a great motor for its size. It does everything well. I
                was really impressed. Still having issues with dirt in the
                tank in the video but he has overcome that problem now.
                Tubs

                https://youtu.be/LFB3l_lqxvg

                #253440
                Buccaneer
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                  Tubs, I spent many hours behind the 5 hp’s little brother, the 3 hp Buccaneer,
                  of the same color, and era. It was my grandfathers motor. I wore out
                  the lower unit, but the prop still turns. I took it down from the rafters
                  a few years ago, and it fired right up, cracked coils and all.
                  I’ve been looking for a better lower unit, and hope to fix up the motor
                  nice while I can still enjoy another ride in the same lake as back in the 70’s.

                  I like your “Auto Pilot” course correction “tool” in the video.

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                  #284844
                  Hiawatha
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                    can’t tell you how much this post helped me out!!!

                    #284847
                    frankr
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                      Years ago, I had a Gale/Monkey Wards 5D10 and a Johnson TN-XX.  Runing the motors on the same boat, same day, same load, etc., the Gale would run circles around the Johnson,  The Gale had just a tad more power and would get the boat up on plane whereas the Johnson just couldn’t quite get it up out of the hole.  Your mileage may differ.

                      #284852
                      jeff-register
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                        I think it’s beautiful compaired to the new half plastic motors & will outlast them all. PLEASE male it pretty again!!

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