Home Forum Ask A Member 1957 Big Twin 35 Engine Cowling Separation? Latch Bale Pin Removal?

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    boscovius
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      I’m about to have my engine cowling degreased and bead blasted for repainting and I’ve been stripping off the parts in order to get it all apart, but I’m stuck at how to get the two halves apart. There is a central hinge pin that runs along the top of the cowling. I’ve removed the C-clip. But I don’t see how I’m supposed to extract the pin. Pin is part number 277612. There isn’t any kind of slot for a screwdriver or anything. I see there is a Hinge Pin Retaining Ring that goes in front of it. Part # 203470. Is it missing? Broken?

      Also of note is the pins that hinge the cover latch bales onto the latches. Can’t figure out how to get those out either and I need to replace one, if not both of the latch bales.
      Pins are part number 203595.

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      #251138
      bobw
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        In your 2nd pic of the cowl hinge pin, I’ve just grabbed onto the pin with a pair of needle nose vice grips then tapped the vice grips with a hammer to knock the pin forward. On the the latch bale, I seem to recall a small c-clip holding the bale pin in place.

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        Bob

        1937 Champion D2C Deluxe Lite Twin
        1954 Johnson CD-11
        1957 Evinrude Fastwin 18
        1958 Johnson QD-19
        1958 Johnson FD-12
        1959 Johnson QD-20

        “Every 20 minute job is only a broken bolt away from a 3-day project.”
        "Every time you remove a broken or seized bolt an angel gets his wings."

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        #252482
        boscovius
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          Thanks for your help Bob.

          This task required me to go shopping for a pair of needle nose vice grips that would fit into the area and grab the pin. Knocked it out just as you said.

          The bale pin isn’t quite the same as the cover latch pin, which does have a c-clip. The cover latch bale, (part number 203593), has a pin (part number 203592), which it turns out is not retained by a c-clip, but rather is retained via friction by the force required to squeeze it through the gaps in the latch cover bale. I had ordered new latch cover bales and was not going to use them as I was afraid I might damage the latch covers in the process. When I saw how much the old ones had been distorted after comparing them to the new ones I decided to go for it. The bale pins came out with no issues by using a nail punch I had handy. Care must be taken when reinstalling the pins, as the tiny cover latch bale spring (part number 203591) must go in the way it was and there is some potential for damaging it. Definitely harder to put the pins back in but it’s doable.

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          #252502
          bobw
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            OK, guess I confused the latch pin and the bale pin. Glad to hear you got everything sorted out. Post some pics when you get it all painted.

            Bob

            1937 Champion D2C Deluxe Lite Twin
            1954 Johnson CD-11
            1957 Evinrude Fastwin 18
            1958 Johnson QD-19
            1958 Johnson FD-12
            1959 Johnson QD-20

            “Every 20 minute job is only a broken bolt away from a 3-day project.”
            "Every time you remove a broken or seized bolt an angel gets his wings."

            #252614
            fleetwin
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              Have often wondered about this also… Most of my engines are salt water models, just assumed the pins wouldn’t come out and were seized in place… Sure hoping I”m wrong, I have one 10hp with a broken cowling pin…

              #252615
              boscovius
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                Fleetwin.

                Show us a picture of the part that concerns you and I’ll bet we can get it sorted.

                #253054
                boscovius
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                  Here she is!  Thanks for your help!

                  #253056
                  bobw
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                    Turned out really nice!   What paint system did you use?

                    Bob

                    1937 Champion D2C Deluxe Lite Twin
                    1954 Johnson CD-11
                    1957 Evinrude Fastwin 18
                    1958 Johnson QD-19
                    1958 Johnson FD-12
                    1959 Johnson QD-20

                    “Every 20 minute job is only a broken bolt away from a 3-day project.”
                    "Every time you remove a broken or seized bolt an angel gets his wings."

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                    #253058
                    boscovius
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                      Thanks Bobw.

                      I purchased the paint and decals from Peter at North York Marine in Canada.  He sells all the decals and paints.  He set me up with the original colors in Acrylic Enamel in rattle cans.  Since I was only doing this one outboard, it seemed the most economical way to go.  Though I can’t say it was cheap.  Lol.

                      http://www.nymarine.ca/index.html

                       

                      The new rubber bumpers and other hardware came from Marine Engine.

                      #253059
                      bobw
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                        I saw the “E” emblem on the side of the cowl was a replica decal which I knew was available at NY Marine, so I figured you probably used his paint as well.   I also buy my paint, decals, grommets, etc. from Peter.

                        Bob

                        1937 Champion D2C Deluxe Lite Twin
                        1954 Johnson CD-11
                        1957 Evinrude Fastwin 18
                        1958 Johnson QD-19
                        1958 Johnson FD-12
                        1959 Johnson QD-20

                        “Every 20 minute job is only a broken bolt away from a 3-day project.”
                        "Every time you remove a broken or seized bolt an angel gets his wings."

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