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    RICHARD A. WHITE
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      Jay, no worries, just remember, save the pressure tank, refurb it and use it for your next 30 OMC’s

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      #314042
      seakaye12
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        Well the flywheel will probably survive with some sanding.  With the flywheel upside down on the table….place a typical screwdriver against the magnets.  It should stick firmly.   A simple test of the magnets.

        I hope you did not use the Chinese coils.  Sometimes they are OK but I’ve found that they many times are weaker than the genuine OMC coils or CDI brand coils.  Takes a good yank of the rope to get them to fire strong.

        You certainly still have issues;  hard to diagnose remotely .  Have you looked at the crankcase seals?  Top and bottom?

        EDIT:  I just watched your video.  The wobble is pretty typical;  not your issue.  And I see those genuine OMC coils too…..the search goes on!  Those carburetor images that Jacques posted are important.  The idle circuit may be plugged;  you can revisit the carburetor at some point.  

         

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        JACQUES
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          coils must aling with the base. run your fingernail up and own it must not snag.

          that done if you have no spark assuming notoing wrong magnet wise then  coil or condensre are suspect.

          did use measure/test/ replacethe condensers ??

          what ohms do you see on both lower and upper coil s    measure secondary  Ohms values to compare from boot clip to engine frame frame and report findings.    Some coils have 9 kohms  some have 4 kohms… if need be install similar coils or swap parts to see if the problem follows the parts .  CLEAN CLEAN the points

          What compression numbers do you have top and bottom…report findings !  your engine should idle fine ans  start at START  . is your  cam adjusted  with the cam follower  on the car  so it sits on the mark at START

           

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          download and store locally  or print localy and bind

          https://www.socalaomci.com/library/johnson_service_manual_10th_edition.pdf

           

           

           

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          JACQUES
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            btw  proper idling  gets fuel fed up the carb  via the side channel to the the top drip chamber (3 small holes)  if the throttle   is open to much …… crankcase suction will be shared betwenn the HS fuel circuit and the LS circuit  which may no tbe favorable to idle . At slow idle  the trotlle plate should be closed and fuel come from the top of the carb not the center HS post.    See manual  for operation  and  adjustments .

            Never-give-up

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            #314130
            Don
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              Hmmm, if the mag plate is being dragged back to idle, you may have a few issues going on.

              First, someone may have removed the friction cup and spring from underneath the tiller grip.

              Second,  Perhaps you have not properly aligned the coils on the mag plate, so they are rubbing on the flywheel magnets

              Thirs, that mag plate seems kind of loose/jumping around a bit.  This might create excess sideways slop allowing the coils to hit the flywheel, point gap will be erratic as well.

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              Jay
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                So I went through the timing video with the multimeter to get the points to open at the perfect spot and made sure the coils are now flush.  Check and had strong spark in both lines so I put it all back together.  The thing roared to life first pull!  Great video!

                I let it warm up a bit then pushed in choke and it was running well.  Sadly I noticed slowly dieing so I check the fuel bulb and it was a bit soft, pumped that and it came back (somehow I’m not getting enough vacuum from the fuel pump?  My tank is a little low, but the pickup is still in fuel).  I can feel Richard shaking his head :D.

                With pumping the bulb every 20 seconds I was able to dial in the high and low needles a bit more, but then it just died out.  Probably had the thing running for 3+ minutes. Went to crank it again and it will putter, but won’t stay firing, even with the fuel bulb hard…?  Maybe I riched it out or something happened after it warmed up?  Even reset the needles to “default”, still no luck.  Noticed a bit of fuel down under (photo attached).  Any ideas?  Thought I was home free!

                 

                 

                #314152
                Jay
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                  Actually figured out my issue on the last post, my needles were a little loose and the packing nuts were not tight enough so I was leaking fuel and probably air through them.  Look at that puppy purr now!

                  https://photos.app.goo.gl/qtCzQ6ZUzMrNghSb9

                  Still have the issue of needing to pump the bulb every 30 seconds or so to keep the bowl full.  Any recommendations on that? I was not sure on the fuel line sizes and worry some might be to big for the fitting.  Or maybe just need a more full tank?

                  Seriously thank you all for who have helped me out thus far.  I was near giving up, great to a have a community that supports these ole’ engines.

                  #314158
                  JACQUES
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                    maybe I see things.. why is there hose on the pulse nipple behind the carb    ?   hopefully is it plugged further down… if not you would loose crankcase pressure to drive the small square pump.      Just cut that hose and plug in a short bolt.

                    hopefully the  small square pump’s rear pulse port is directly in line with the pulsing hole you drilled in the bypass cover plate otherwise the pump won’t work to suck  fuel and refill the carb  forcing you to repump the bulb to fill the carb. .

                    btw  don’t overrev in a bucket …aerated water won’t cool the engine much   just idle it.

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                    #314222
                    PM T2
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                      YOu won’t know until you boat test it, but I’ve not heard of an evinrude “losing power” because of a leaky pressure tank. It may get starved for fuel and quit on you, but they usually don’t keep running and perform like a lesser motor because there’s pressure escaping.

                      FWIW I don’t think you’ve ruined your flywheel, but do get the coil alignment taken care of. in another FWIW, I’ve never used on of those coil setting rings myself, because I don’t have one. I do have an eye and a feel for setting up things without tools and getting it so close that normally the engines always run without having to fine tune things. If the ring isn’t working for you, start going by feel and shift your coil positions so they ain’t rubbing on the flywheel and still give your ignition energy when it needs it.

                      I have a ’57 Evinrude Fastwin as well. It was in use when I got it but they said it was “getting tired” and was losing power. They’re description of the issues sounded like it was only running on one cylinder. As soon as I got the motor, I could tell that the upper crankshaft oil seal was done. A telltale oil and sludge buildup on the port side of the exhaust housing gave it away. With a new oil seal installed, the mag plate replaced because the old one was a bit sloppy (sound familiar?) and the fuel system gone through, it is now one of my most dependable classic outboards and I put a considerable amount of hours on it last summer on Lake St. Clair.
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                      So yeah, look into that magneto plate, it shouldn’t be wobbling around, it needs to be stable when it pivots…otherwise your points timing and coil alignment are gonna be nearly impossible to set correctly.

                      Hope this helps.

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                      PM T2
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                        Half of the posts in this string weren’t visible (to me) last night, otherwise I wouldn’t have bothered responding, lol

                        He's livin' in his own private Idaho..... I hope to go out quietly in my sleep, like my grand-dad did..... and not screaming, like the passengers in his car...

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