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    Mason Biller
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      I picked up this motor about 3-4 weeks ago, has spark, but it doesn’t run. so I take apart the carb, dip it, clean it, put it back together with a carb kit. It starts and runs, It will be running with full throttle in neutral and stay running, but if I put it a bit lower it will stay running but only with the choke, I’ve tried a million different carb needle variations. I believe it could be the linkage from the roller on the magneto to the actual throttle on the carb, that little wire seems to be worn out. it will not stay running with full choke, just enough to bump the throttle, then it runs perfect. Is this a common problem with these?     Also, I installed a water pump impeller and It now pumps water great, there seems to be tons of water coming out through the exaust but not the little tell tale part lower down where it comes out both sides. The exhaust plate is cool while I’m running it, but the head gets hot.   Im thinking the water from the head goes out through those little passages down low and it might be blocked somewhere? or a thermostat?  1962 evinrude 10hp

      Thanks, Mason

      #315984
      Sam M.
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        Canada Member

        Here are a few ideas:

        Is the float level set correctly?

        Does the throttle roller piece touch the ignition plate extension (the part the roller can roll against) where there is a marking (a little line) on the ignition plate extension?  I’m not certain your motor has this marking, but if it does, that should be where the roller starts/stops contacting the ignition plate extension.

        I would double check the carburetor is indeed clean.  Debris from other parts of the fuel system could have made it to the carburetor.  The likely suspect area is the low speed circuit.

        For the water pump, the water should come out an approximately 1/2″ hole around halfway in between the powerhead and the gearcase.  Unless someone drilled another outlet, it should only exit from there, so not sure what you mean by “both sides”

        Another thing is that you should give the motor a gear oil change as well.  The previous oil may be dirty, contain water, or it could have been drained.

        #315990
        Mason Biller
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          I believe it is just that plate, then for the water exit there, is that just the water that comes through and out of the head?

          #316002
          JACQUES
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            Mason

            if you do not have the service manual to fully understand the operation and setting and testing this oldy  just download this free book and take time to read it carefully.  print locally  in 2  fat binders  and bind with spring cords , store the file on your PC

            what servicing did you do under the flywheel..???    that old motorr may need a full refurb of electricals.

            not jus the carb     sparking is sujective…pull the flywheel and post some pictures here

            coils may be cracked, condensers weak or defective point dirty, broken wires  worn points  etc.. etc…

            https://www.socalaomci.com/library/johnson_service_manual_10th_edition.pdf

             

             

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            #316010
            Sam M.
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              Canada Member

              I believe it is just that plate, then for the water exit there, is that just the water that comes through and out of the head?

              Good, there is that marking.  Simply adjust the roller’s or carburetor’s linkage so that’s where the roller starts/stops contacting the plate.

              I am not familiar with the water outlet you circled.  It’s not on my OMC-made 10hp outboard.

              Also, the lower unit should be much deeper in the water.  You’re lucky your new impeller self-primed.  Outboard water pumps don’t always self-prime, so the water level should submerge the impeller when starting the outboard.  This prevents the impeller from running dry upon startup, if only for a moment (since yours is currently able to self-prime).

              I think you’ll need a bigger bucket.

              #316032
              Don
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                You have alot of questions, will answer a few of them.   First, like others have said, that water level in that bucket should be up over the gearcase/exhaust housing joint so the pump can work properly.  You don’t want to ruin the new impeller you just installed.

                Your next picture shows where you will normally see some water dumping out under those lower mounts, this is normal and expected.  Hard to explain, but that water helps seal the top of the pump and needs a place to escape…. The exhaust cover on the powerhead should always be relatively cool.  The engine does have a thermostat, so the cylinder head should get warmer than the exhaust cover.  Hard to know if yours is getting too hot though.  The thermostat is hidden under that little triangular cover and is easily accessed, the passages might be plugged up as well.  Be sure to order a new thermostat gasket before taking the cover off, those gaskets are unique, and might take some time to be found.

                OK, the engine won’t idle, but popping the choke quickly seems to help temporarily, is this correct?  If so, first know that the 10hp carb linkage is tricky, might be binding, or perhaps the choke linkage is messed up.  Any of these conditions may be holding the carb butterfly open slightly while at idle.  Your picture clearly shows the roller is not touching the mag plate cam, so it doesn’t seem as if the cam is holding the carb open.  The butterfly must be closed completely at idle, or you will have a lean condition, the engine will probably sneeze/cough/stall out.  Don’t assume the throttle plate is closing completely/not binding, pull the carb off and have a look inside at the butterfly.

                Another problem area on these carbs is the pesky threaded “sleeve” that the low speed needle threads into:

                item 35

                https://www.marineengine.com/parts/johnson-evinrude-parts.php?year=1962&hp=10&model=QD-23&manufacturer=Johnson&section=CARBURETOR+GROUP

                The needle valve threads into this sleeve, which is not locked in place…Holding the sleeve in place relies on the packing washers being relatively secured in place tightening the packing nut.  Oftentimes, you attempt to adjust that low speed needle, turning it either way, but actually doing nothing.  The sleeve is just turning inside the carb body, the needle positioning is not being changed.  Don’t ask me why engineering felt this sleeve was a good idea, perhaps money was saved, who knows.

                Finally one of your pictures shows a shiny core plug covering that top idle mixing port, did you install that?  Did you use an OEM carb kit, or aftermarket?  Much of the aftermarket stuff isn’t worth bothering with, just creates more problems and frustration.  In any event, that core plug looks like it was just dropped in place without tapping it down slightly to expand/seal its OD to the carb body.  An air leak in this area will create a lean condition at idle as well.

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                #316035
                JACQUES
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                  see informative pics from the bible (red -white book)  JOHNSON _EVINRUDE are cousin !

                  the carb idle cct uses a very narrow  side channel that nust be 100% clean.

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                  #316056
                  Mason Biller
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                    US Junior Member

                    okay, The bucket when I was running the motor was overflowing, I had a hose in it, I’m fairly certain I fixed the idle problem with that plate that I moved. I used a aftermarket carb kit, but the only things I used were the bowl gasket, and that little cap, the cap was tapped into place with a screwdriver and I can assure you that it is a tight fit- air tight seal, although it may look like its loose. The carb is definetly 100% clean I soaked the whole thing in chem dip for about a day, then cleaned out each individual passage in the carb with the spray stuff. The thing I am dealing with here now is the water, The bucket was Full and the whole lower unit was Fully submerged, The picture I sent was taken hours after running.   it was definitely pumping water because there was loads coming out of the exaust, and when I took that plate off with the thermostat, I started it up and water shot all over. I put the cover back on withought the thermostat and no juice either, the head would still get hot. It wasn’t warm, It was Hot, the plugs were hot and so was the head- water sizzled on them. this is when it is still pumping water, and the exaust plate is cool. Is there a blockage somewhere?

                    Thanks, Mason

                    #316057
                    Don
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                      US Member

                      “plate that I moved”??  I will have to review your post, don’t understand that.

                      The head should not get “hot”, the water should definitely not “sizzle”.  I would pull that thermostat cap off again and have a look, sometimes salt gets packed in the cap/small passages on top of the head, blocking passage through the head.

                      OK, reread the posts…I am assuming that the “plate” you moved is the brass mag plate cam the pushes the carb roller open, correct?

                      #316058
                      Mason Biller
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                        US Junior Member

                        the plate underneath the mag that has the line on it that contacts that roller.  should I pull the head off to clean the blockage? if it is one?

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