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  • hondaatc

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    #248467

    Hey all I’m thinking about buying a 1966 johnson caprice 90 hp i/o i basically know nothing about about these boats didn’t even know omc made boats anyways it looks good owner says its in real nice shape but has no spark ( maybe needs to clean the points ) any one out there know about these boats and or the power units and out drive units any advice i should look for or known problems thanks in advance


    seakaye12

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    #248473

    Interesting. The Good Old Days

    https://www.omc-boats.org/


    outbdnut2

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    #248474

    At the link below, scroll down to 1966 and page 2 of the 1966 Brochure shows the Caprice. Word is that OMC refused to pay Mercury royalties to use some of their patented features of their MerCruiser outdrives, so had to design theirs around those patents. Some argue that the OMC outdrive, along with the tilt and trim, was a “Rube-Goldberg” design, and inferior to MerCruiser, but it had advantages, like tilting up a full 90 degrees which made prop inspection and replacement while in the water easier. Like the MerCruisers, they had modified car engines attached, although some were offered with modified OMC V4 engines derived from outboards, but these took a lot more gas than the automotive 4-stroke engines. OMC outdrives with these car motors also were sold to other boat companies, like Crestliner.

    The OMC boats were all or nearly all Tri-Hulls, which ride rough in waves, with three hull sections instead of one pounding against the waves. Tri-hulls also can get dicey if you try to take a quick, sharp corner at fast, planed off speeds.

    Dave
    http://www.fiberglassics.com/library/index.php?title=OMC_Boats

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    billw

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    #248513

    I THINK that a 90 hp was the “DU” series engine, which was an outboard power head, mounted sideways. Correct me if I am wrong. I think for OMC, the smallest car-engine based one were like, 110 or 120 hp.

    Long live American manufacturing!


    fleetwin

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    #248533

    Yes, sounds like the Caprice has the V-4 90hp outboard engine.
    I would love to recommend this rig, but the truth is that it is alot mechanically, you will need to learn alot to care for it. Parts will be tough to find also. There are next to no techs left that have had any experience with these boats/outdrives/engines.
    I would think twice about this purchase unless it is at a price that can not be refused….

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    billw

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    #248534

    Owning a DU would be like having the Unicorn of marine power plants. If you want unique, you will have unique, FOR SURE, no doubt about it. Very cool….but to WHO? Even if you do find all the parts you might need and get it to go, nobody but you and a few of us on the inter-web are going to appreciate it. I seem to remember seeing one once; and I have never heard one run. I suspect there is a reason they they didn’t sell well and disappeared quickly. Like Don says, if you get it very cheap, it might be a fun learning experience. But other than that, I dunno…

    Long live American manufacturing!

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    hondaatc

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    #248597

    Thanks guys i can get a very nice ” looking ” very complete boat that ” turns over but has no spark ” with a really nice matching johnson trailer and a parts boat with complete motor and outdrive for $ 500 i really like the looks of the boat i like unique but I’m nervous about it being a mechanical nightmare i did check out marineengine.com and there are some parts still available but i am definitely on the fence wish i could find a wicked cool aluminum boat to go with my 50s outboards


    billw

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    #248608

    Let me ask you this: Are you married; and if so, would your WIFE or significant other, ride in this proposed boat? If so, then I would do it. You’d be able to double dip, having a very cool mechanical thing that your wife would also enjoy. My wife loves “her” Bayliner (she rides in it and I work on it) but she would not be caught dead in my aluminum boats with the antiques. Just make sure you don’t get towed back to the dock. They don’t like that.

    Long live American manufacturing!

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    billw

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    #248609

    I always thought OMC stringer drives were kind of the BMWs of stern drives. They were more of a pleasure to operate but took more to maintain in tip-top shape. Saying that brings to mind a very unique piece that you will probably need to find: The OMCs were not mounted directly to the transom. They just kind of passed through the transom and a big, rubber boot kept the boat from sinking. These deteriorated over time and would leak. With the age of that boat, I can almost guarantee you will need one of them….

    Long live American manufacturing!

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    outbdnut2

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    #248635

    FYI: Here is a photo of a couple of the OMC Johnson 140 HP engines with outdrives attached – I’m just posting this to show what their drives look like. Drive for the V4 90 HP would be similar The 140 HP was the base car engine in the Chevy II Nova when it was introduced and Mercury used this basic engine built up for marine use for decades and may still use it today.. These two are for sale now on the St. Cloud, Minnesota craigslist.
    Dave

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    hondaatc

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    #248678

    Thanks for all the advice fellas i really appreciate it and to billw my wife is exactly the same she says hell no to my aluminum boats and antique outboards but loves the bass boat anyway i think if i can make a deal with the current owner i am going to take the chance and purchase this boat i have been back and forth for a good two weeks and have kinda fallen for it so hopefully she treats me well i do all my own work and I’m definitely nervous from the comments here and on some other forums i have searched about it being a pain in the butt … but hopefully out of the two complete units i might get at least one trip out of it i have included some of the pictures i have from his add thanks again I’ll keep u all informed

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    billw

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    #248687

    If I could get that for $500, I might even consider getting divorced. That thing is a 9.5 on the cool-o-meter, to me! Not sure my wife would ride in it; but now that I see it, who cares? One question, though….The red is not the original color, right? Especially the drive itself?

    Long live American manufacturing!

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    Matthew Pieklik

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    #248688

    Go for it! You could blow 500 on a weekend. That boat is way too cool to pass up. You will find your parts you need.

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    hondaatc

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    #248695

    Hi billw from all the pictures i have seen on the interweb they are all red as far as it being original paint im not sure


    hondaatc

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    #248696

    A picture from a johnson add

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