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    Rob
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      Hi Everyone,

      I finally found a decent Rudder Twin at a decent price!!!  I’m very stoked about it!

      I have never owned a Rudder Twin before and I don’t know much about them other than the fact that it’s now officially the coolest outboard I own!

      The guy I bought it from said that it was owned by a member on here…a guy named Bill Bynum.  Bill, if you read this, please reach out to me!  I’d love to make your acquaintance!

       

      I do have a few questions….

      • These engines run CCW…..correct?  If so, it looks like the propeller is going the wrong way.  What am I missing here?  Is it possible that the wrong prop is on it?
        • I posted a picture of the rear of the engine.  If you rotate the flywheel CCW, the propeller spins CW when viewing from the rear, which, looking at the propeller, seems to be reverse.
      • I know I am getting way ahead of myself here…..but what should the tank look like when restored?  Painted or polished?   The tank has starting and oiling instructions on it that are in very good shape–VERY COOL!!!

       

      Thanks everyone!

      –Rob

       

      Can’t wait to hear this thing run!  But I am going to take it very slow so I don’t break something on this 100 year old engine!

       

      Rob

      #310377
      Rob
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        Sorry….2 more things…..

        The serial number is J 46215 which I believe makes it a 1927….correct?

         

         

        Also, there are some little ‘eyelets’ on the tank (see attached picture, ‘eyelets’ circled in red).  What are those for?

         

         

        Thanks again!

        –Rob

         

         

        Rob

        #310425
        PM T2
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          Canada Member

          Good morning. The motor spins in a clockwise direction, these Eltos use a LH rotation propeller.

          It is a 1927 motor, as ’27 was the first year for the J (they did offer them in 1928 as well)

          The gas tanks on those were provided from the factory with a finish known as “Terne plating”, which is a lead-tin alloy that is no longer used. Some folks have nickel or even chrome plated those tanks. I strongly recommend against that. Not only is plating them expensive, but it will show up every flaw, dent, or wrinkle that you didn’t notice before it was plated. Common practice now when redoing a motor is to paint them silver.

          The eyelets are for control cables or cords that allow the timing to be adjusted from a remote area of the boat. YOu could run a control cord thru each eyelet and tie the ends to the timer, as there is a hole in the timer handle for just that purpose. Coupled with the rope steering, this gave the operator a choice of sitting further away from the motor itself, thereby enjoying a quieter ride and possibly getting out of the smoke trail. Fortunately, these Elto motors typically run well enough to allow a boater to sit further away from the transom and not have to sit next to it to make constant adjustments.

          Hope this helps.
          Best,
          PM T2 (Elto Special Interest Group Leader, AOMCI)
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          dsc0012

          He's livin' in his own private Idaho..... I hope to go out quietly in my sleep, like my grand-dad did..... and not screaming, like the passengers in his car...

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          #310466
          Tubs
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            They will actually run in both directions. Here is a link to starting mine. https://youtu.be/hKX0mZji7aA  To run forward, you spin the flywheel counterclockwise. If you have the everything set properly, the sparkplugs fire and the motor takes off, running clockwise. Do the reverse, and it will run in reverse. Once you get familiar with your motor you’ll see how well this works. Too many links can make a post disappear.  If you search for the videos below it will give you some understanding of how the timer works.   

            Timer

            A "Boathouse Repair" is one thats done without having tools or the skills to do it properly.

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            #310491
            Aidan Smith
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              US Junior Member

              I’ve got one, I gently media blasted past the surface rust, and exposed most of the original plating underneath. I now am waiting on parts to do a military coil swap!

              "Shells sink, dreams float. Life's good on our boat."
              1949 Mercury KE-4
              1952 Mercury KF-3,-5,-7
              1952 Mercury KG-7Q

              1937 Evinrude Scout
              1938 Elto Pal
              1946 Evinrude Ranger

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              #310511
              Rob
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                They will actually run in both directions. Here is a link to starting mine. https://youtu.be/hKX0mZji7aA  To run forward, you spin the flywheel counterclockwise. If you have the everything set properly, the sparkplugs fire and the motor takes off, running clockwise. Do the reverse, and it will run in reverse. Once you get familiar with your motor you’ll see how well this works. Too many links can make a post disappear.  If you search for the videos below it will give you some understanding of how the timer works.   

                Timer

                Thanks Tubs!   I am definitely going to have to circle back to you when I have more time to tinker with this one.  I think this is the coolest antique outboard I will ever own….because I will never be able to afford a Clarke Troller haha 🙂

                Rob

                #310514
                Rob
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                  I’ve got one, I gently media blasted past the surface rust, and exposed most of the original plating underneath. I now am waiting on parts to do a military coil swap!

                  Thanks for the advice!

                  So far, for my restorations, I have been removing paint the old fashioned way–with sandpaper and elbow grease.  I’d love to get a media blaster someday, but they take up a lot of room and a decent compressor costs a ton of money, that I don’t have.

                  Please keep me posted on your project!  I’d love to see some pictures!  Also, I might need to ask you some questions about the military coil swap.  I have a coil, and I’ve watched Tubs’ video, but I still have some questions before I dive into that side of this project.

                   

                  Thanks again!

                   

                  –Rob

                  Rob

                  #310516
                  Rob
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                    US Member

                    Good morning. The motor spins in a clockwise direction, these Eltos use a LH rotation propeller.

                    It is a 1927 motor, as ’27 was the first year for the J (they did offer them in 1928 as well)

                    The gas tanks on those were provided from the factory with a finish known as “Terne plating”, which is a lead-tin alloy that is no longer used. Some folks have nickel or even chrome plated those tanks. I strongly recommend against that. Not only is plating them expensive, but it will show up every flaw, dent, or wrinkle that you didn’t notice before it was plated. Common practice now when redoing a motor is to paint them silver.

                    The eyelets are for control cables or cords that allow the timing to be adjusted from a remote area of the boat. YOu could run a control cord thru each eyelet and tie the ends to the timer, as there is a hole in the timer handle for just that purpose. Coupled with the rope steering, this gave the operator a choice of sitting further away from the motor itself, thereby enjoying a quieter ride and possibly getting out of the smoke trail. Fortunately, these Elto motors typically run well enough to allow a boater to sit further away from the transom and not have to sit next to it to make constant adjustments.

                    Hope this helps.
                    Best,
                    PM T2 (Elto Special Interest Group Leader, AOMCI)
                    IMG_5262
                    IMG_5266
                    IMG_5268
                    dsc0012

                    Great info!  Thanks!

                     

                    Just to be clear, when I do get to the point that I am ready to try to start it, I should ‘bump’ the flywheel back and forth off the compression a few times, and then flick it firmly CLOCKWISE?  Is that correct?

                     

                     

                    Great pictures, by the way!

                    Thanks again!

                     

                    —Rob

                    Rob

                    #310605
                    PM T2
                    Participant

                      Canada Member

                      Starting instructions for your motor are included in the attached scan.

                      MPL-Pages-6-7

                      Best,
                      PM T2

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                      #310615
                      Tubs
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                        Here are some more. There are for and earlier model but I thing most will apply. 

                        A "Boathouse Repair" is one thats done without having tools or the skills to do it properly.

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