Home Forum Ask A Member 1956 Johnson Javelin “Barn Find” – Need Basic Info to Get Started

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  • #315678
    Douglas McQuilken
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      Very helpful, thanks.

      Trying to figure this out one step at a time….

      is there a way to determine if they also converted to 12 volt?

      Next up is to crank up starter to check compression

      #315680
      RICHARD A. WHITE
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        If it is a 12v starter….it should be stamped as such.. on the tag….

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        #315989
        Douglas McQuilken
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          Once again I am confused.

          I hooked up a 12 volt battery for testing. Positive to solenoid and negative to block.

          I used a patch cable to jump over the solenoid – positive in to positive out. The wire got hot! I used a circuit tester to verify the outbound power cable from the solenoid was negative. I removed the cable from solenoid to starter for further diagnosis. The bolt on the starter is negative as well as the housing. Suggestions for next steps would be appreciated.

          #316000
          JACQUES
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            it is normal for the starter IN post to  “appear” negative because the other side  of the  starter armature   is in fact  connected to the engine frame.  This is no diffeent than common light bulbs in the house… One side is ALWAYS on  white neutral (ground)  and black  turns it on from the wall switch  (solenoid  B+ red in outboards)

            the point here is that if you apply B+  to the “seamingly grounded in post”… it will cause current flow into the starter  and spin the starter.

            if it does  not the starter itself is jammed phusically and will cause  wires to overheat…. quite normal.

            not clear what you did  I used a patch cable to jump over the solenoid – positive in to positive out. but if you connected the solenoid  main B+ in post from the battery ….  manually to the solenoid  B+ out post to the starter with a small gauge wire off course it will heat up due the   high amperage load  consumed by the starter.

            SO…the question here is .. does the starter spin or not  if you apply B+ off the battery  directly on the starter B+ in post.

             

             

             

             

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            #316033
            Don
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              Like others have said, that solenoid positioning looks very dangerous, it would be quite easy to short the battery positive lead to ground during cover removal/installation.  That solenoid might be messed up as well.

              You might want to bypass that solenoid for now by wiring the battery directly to the starter and tapping the negative lead to the battery post temporarily to test the starter.  Please be very careful, do this outside wearing eye protection and some gloves, make sure there is a fire extinguisher handy.  A shorted starter motor could overheat the wires/battery, causing a fire/battery explosion.  Perhaps one of the engine’s battery cables is damaged causing a short to ground as well.  Be careful….

              PS:  I am assuming the powerhead is not jammed up preventing the starter from spinning as well.

              #316059
              Douglas McQuilken
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                UPDATE

                thanks to both for the suggestion to wire directly from battery to starter ( I should have started here).

                In any case, the starter remains unresponsive. I even tried a few hammer taps while connected.

                After disconnecting power the starter turns easily by hand.

                While starter has not engaged flywheel yet, the pistons are free.

                #316062
                JACQUES
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                  brushes may simply be worn. the starter since it is defective based on your conclusion… you may as well take it apart and replace the brushes and clean the  contact surfaces….visit some utubes on  how to rebuild it    ( assuming nothing else is wrong with it) ..

                   

                  hopefully when you applied B+ the starter main IN post ……. the starter  was properly grounded to the engine frame and the battery B- was hooked up to the the engine ground lug to complete the cirruit.

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                  #316086
                  Don
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                    Make sure the battery cables are good also, may be corroded/split, etc.

                    I guess the next step would be to remove the starter and “bench test” it.  In other words applying battery power directly to the starter with decent jumper cables.

                    Perhaps the brushes are just stuck or dirty.  I’m not sure how to identify a 6 volt vs 12 volt starter, but there will probably be some sort of label on it.

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