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  • #10839
    mistermusky
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      Hi all,
      Newbie here. This is my first project with an outboard of any kind, much less a 61 year old one.
      Over the years I’ve worked on dozens of lawn mowers and tractors so I have a general knowledge of small one an two cylinder engines.
      So I kinda know what I’m doing. In addition, I’ve spent many hours combing the web for forums and videos in an attempt to educate myself in this area. The knowledge I’ve acquired has been vital in getting things to where they are now.

      I’ve kept a diary of my work and I’ve included a summary here:

      After reading lots of forums and watching endless YT videos, I tried my best to educate myself into the workings of the motor. The one thing I really wanted to upgrade was the ignition. Someone had installed automotive plug wires which needed to go. I removed the flywheel and the magneto plate, tested the coils, points and condensers (which looked fairly new), all good.
      I installed the new wires, locking them into the plate underneath, and new plugs.
      In the meantime I removed the starter and the carb. I had seen a YT video that recommended you clean the carb and parts by boiling them in lemon juice. I gave it a try and they came out sparkling clean. I purchased a carb kit and installed a new float, needle valve, gaskets, etc. Note: I removed the remote choke and accompanying linkage because I am not going to use it. I reinstalled the carb, hooked up the linkage, and reinstalled the starter.

      Next step: I saw a video on how to pinpoint when the points open by using a multimter. I understood the principle, but my meter is digital and I really wasn’t confident that I was doing it right. Plan B: I spoke to Richard White and he advised me to move the crank cam until the word “TOP” aligned with the points on the top and bottom cylinders. Maybe not exact, but close enough to run OK. In addition to that I adjusted the points to .20 on both using a blade feeler gauge. All done. I reinstalled the flywheel, all set.

      I have a two line gas tank which I filled with fresh gas @ 24:1 mix. Used the pump to pressurize the tank. Hooked up the wires to run the starter. Filled the barrel with water.
      Set the tiller handle to “start”. Set the choke, made sure the needle valves were set properly. I cranked that thing at least 30 different times without even a hint that it wanted to start. Not a puff, not a cough, a chug, a sputter: NOTHING! The only good news was that the starter motor worked great.

      Needless to say I was really disheartened and frustrated. I know these are fairly simple engines: spark, fuel, compression and you should be good to go. Anyway, my mind started to go over everything and I decided to first start by re-checking the ignition.
      Imagine my shock and surprise when I found that the terminal end from the coil wire had broken off from the screw on the points. ??? I removed the coil, re-trimmed the wire, crimped on a new terminal and re-installed it to the points terminal. While I had the flywheel off I re-checked the timing and the point gaps. OK. I put the flywheel on and tried it again: NOTHING!

      I confirmed the worst by squirting fuel/oil mix into the carb while I cranked the motor. Still nothing. Just to be 100% sure I got out my gauge and line tested the compression.
      I got 95 on both cylinders. Good, not great; but certainly good enough to run the engine.

      So, here I am, pouring my heart out to you guys, perfect strangers, in the faint hope that I can find out what I’ve done or haven’t done to get this thing to run.

      Is the timing so far off that it’s not sparking anywhere close to where its supposed to?
      Does squirting gas in the carb let the carb off the hook as a symptom? I am at my wit’s end. I don’t think I will (or should) proceed without some guidance from someone who’s been down this road.

      Any advice would be awesome. Thanks so much for listening.

      Paul

      As an aside to this madness . . . . .One quick thought about the ignition . . . in the process of setting up this motor I decided to add a killswitch directly from the magneto plate to the boat’s console. I have the leads hooked up to the points terminals on the mag. The wires are fed down through two holes I drilled in the mag plate and then fed down the sides of the motor and out through the original harness, which I have removed. It’s not hooked up to the boat yet, the wires are just hanging loose. CRAZY QUESTION: Even though the spark is generated by the coil and fed through the plug wires,is it possible that the spark that should be carried through the plug wires is being intercepted or sidetracked or "stolen" by the wires for the killswitch? Thus whatever spark that is getting to the plugs isn’t sufficient to ignite the fuel? Just trying to think outside the box, if there is a box.

      #81086
      david-bartlett
      Participant

        Paul,

        Welcome!

        Any chance your plug wires are on the Wrong plugs?

        Also, does anything happen if you add fuel directly in spark plug opening?

        Your kill switch should not be an issue if the ends are not touching.

        #81087
        stanley
        Participant

          US Member - 2 Years

          I didn’t see anywhere in your post that you had checked for spark quality

          #81088
          frankr
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            US Member
            quote Stanley:

            I didn’t see anywhere in your post that you had checked for spark quality

            Exactly what I was about to ask. If no spark, try disconnecting those kill wires.

            #81091
            frankr
            Participant

              US Member

              BTW, that thing should start almost instantly with that electric starter. If it doesn’t, something is wrong.

              #81092
              mistermusky
              Participant

                WOW, thanks for the quick reply fellas.
                David, wires are on correctly. I did not try adding fuel directly in the cylinders. I thought squirting it into the carb would be direct enough. I can definitely try that.

                Stanley, as far as spark quality goes: I cranked the motor while grounding the plugs on the motor and got spark. How do you assess the quality of that spark?

                Frank, from almost every YT video I’ve watched, any electric start motor starts within seconds. I cranked my motor for up to 30 seconds (not good for the starter) and got nothing. Something is wrong for sure.

                #81093
                stanley
                Participant

                  US Member - 2 Years

                  Spark needs to jump a minimum of 1/4",plug wire end to block.3/8 to 1/2" is even better.

                  #81094
                  chris-p
                  Participant

                    If you are going to work on these, invest in a cheap, inline adjustable spark tester. They are only a couple bucks. Set it to 1/4". The spark should jump that gap with a bright blue ZAP!!

                    Holding the plug to the block, the spark is only jumping a small 020 gap, which is very easy for it to do. That 020 gap is much harder for it to jump under compression in the cylinder. That is why you test it at 1/4" gap outside of the cylinder, to mimick compression.

                    Im sure you just have a spark issue.

                    By the way, you torqued the flywheel correct? Tapers clean and dry. Not your problem here, but just confirming so you don’t have bigger issues!

                    #81098
                    RICHARD A. WHITE
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                      Lifetime Member

                      Paul, I was in error on my information….can you call me?

                      Thanks, check our email string for the number…

                      Richard

                      http://www.richardsoutboardtools.com
                      classicomctools@gmail.com

                      #81100
                      RICHARD A. WHITE
                      Participant

                        Lifetime Member

                        Note to all, I made an error when I gave Paul some info… I have called him and corrected that info, so he stated he would try it again tomorrow… stupid mistake on my part, gonna hang my head in shame I am…LOL

                        http://www.richardsoutboardtools.com
                        classicomctools@gmail.com

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