1950 Evinrude 14 hp Fastwin Coils

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  • Buccaneer

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    #265882

    Could all this dried / baked on junk on the mag plate be from the coils?
    These coils are pre-OMC universal coils and laminates. I’m not sure
    I remember these, or what the coils looked like new. There’s no broken
    up chunks of plastic like the old universal coils.
    Both cylinders had spark before I took the motor apart.

    That being said, If I need to replace the coils, will universal coils work?
    A quick glance says it wouldn’t be a easy swap, if even possible.
    Thanks.

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    frankr

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    #265893

    Yeah, those were the 580040 coils.  They all bled to death within the first couple years of life.  I think some have managed a swap, but I haven’t tried it.


    johnny

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    #265895

    Last time I checked they were still available on eBay new.


    Buccaneer

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    #265900

    Thanks for the help guys, I’ll check out that part number!

    Update-
    Well, I checked out that parts number on EBay, and there were several of those NOS
    coils, but everyone only had one coil for sale, and they were all more than
    I paid for the motor.

    I did find an old thread on site though, showing a successful coil swap
    of a QD-10, having the same original coils as my Fastwin, so I’ll
    compare my mag plate tomorrow to see how similar it is to the QD-10
    shown in the link.

    1949 Johnson 10hp QD-10 igntion questions

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    frankr

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    #265905

    I’m quite impresses by the mag plate mod shown in the link above.  Nice save.

    QD-10-resized

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    seakaye12

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    #265909

    I’ve done that Universal OMC coil swap.  It’s not too bad.  Worked out fine for me.


    Mumbles

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    #265911

    Just curious but why would the ’50 Fastwin be rated at 14 horsepower when it looks the same as my ’50 Elto Speedster wedge head which is rated at 12 horsepower?  Would this maybe have something  to do with keeping the Gale products as a second tier motor while placing the Evinrudes on the top shelf?Wedgehead
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    Buccaneer

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    #265916

    Mumbles, I have old notes from Garry Spenser.
    I’m not sure “where” the extra two horse power came from.

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    That was a rush job to fill a gap in the motor line up – a souped up Gale (Elto) 12 horse powerhead on a Johnson QD lower unit. We were looking for something to compete with Mercury’s Super Ten and that was NOT it. We put the powerhead on a Lightfour lower unit and found my reworked Lightfour was faster. I had trouble with the rubber motor mounts twisting and drilled them for an additional screw. The latch for the fuel connector should be on top. As it is , it allows the connector to pull away at the top and leaks when worn.(Garry Spencer)
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    Buccaneer

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    #265917

    I’ve done that Universal OMC coil swap.  It’s not too bad.  Worked out fine for me.

    Did your coil towers with plug wires also exit out of the bottom of the mag plate?
    I haven’t gotten around looking at my mag plate this morning….. still
    cleaning the powerhead. 🙁

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    frankr

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    #265918

    I think the 12 & 14hp had different reeds.  Maybe that is where they found an extra 2hp?

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    Buccaneer

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    #265938

    Frank, here’s the reeds on my 14 hp, and a 1951 12 hp Gale.
    Looks like you’re correct again!

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    Mumbles

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    #265961

    Hey Buck, do you have a photo of  your Fastwin without the manifold on?  The bolt pattern looks the same as the Gale and I wonder if the manifolds are interchangeable?  My Speedster might be able to be converted to a Super Speedster!

    Here’s the Elto Speedster crankcase,  with the mandatory coil juice and all.

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    Buccaneer

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    #265973

    Mumbles, you might have to just put some nitro in your gas tank to get the extra two horse power.

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    Steve Martin

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    #265977

    As a sidebar question, what have you all used to remove the coil juice?  My entire power head is covered.


    Buccaneer

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    #265978

    As a sidebar question, what have you all used to remove the coil juice?  My entire power head is covered.

    Steve, I first tried mineral spirits, acetone, and lacquer thinner……
    none did much, so I resorted to mechanical means.
    Scrappers, drill with wire brush, and Dremel with various brushes.
    I cleaned on it for two days before I was satisfied enough
    to paint the power head.
    Anything that I could unbolt from the power head went in the
    sandblaster…… much easier!

    P.S.- I just had a thought, and wondered why I didn’t try a hair dryer
    or propane torch to soften up the resin first.

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